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1 | What constitutes 'abuse' on the forum? | Acts 17:11 | Asis | 94505 | ||
Graceful It is a shame that we "christians," little Christs, don't know who we are in Christ. We are more concerned with some point of doctrine that doesn't concern the majority of those who hear it. You see we can argue what happened during the three days Jesus spent in the earth, setting captives free (my paraphrase), conquering death, smashing the gates of Hades, or we can shout to the heavens that He is risen and has given all of us eternal life and salvation and a job. But noooo we prefer to argue the letter of the word and not walk in and teach the spirit of the word. We spend way too much time telling others that they are wrong. rather than instructing believers in the life of victory. It will be better when we die and go to heaven. What about here? We need to tell each other what the word says about our condition here on this earth now as believers in the Messiah. We should tell the saints of God what He has done so we might be His intruments of righteousness HERE. His light HERE. His salt HERE. We need to spread the good news of the Kingdom of God to those who are still in the kingdom of dakness. Tell all the people that they don't have to be buffeted about like a cork in the ocean by an enemy that has been paralized by our High Priest, by our Brother Jesus the Messiah. We need to equip the saints for the ministry of reconciliation not confrontation. Show the world that the love of God is so great it breaks the yoke of all that binds us. Tell all the world that we are "Free at last, Free at last, Thank God Almighty we are Free at last" Here on this earth by the power and the might of God Almighty through Jesus the Messiah. But no, we of the forum are defenders of the faith not exhorters of the faith. Graceful, I want to tell you that you are the righteousness of God just because you believe. You are God's daughter (I think you are a woman, if I'm wrong I appologuize and tell you are a son of God) and a joint heir with Jesus. You have been indwelt with the Spirit of God Almighty. You have recieved a new nature that has wiped away ALL the old that you were and He has filled you with newness of life which is from and of Him. He has removed your citizenship of this world and transfered you and given you citizenship in the Kingdom of His Son. You have been given a most precious faith so you might partake of God's divine nature by His placing YOU IN CHRIST JESUS. And by Him and through Him and in Him YOU can do ALL things. He has given you the mind of Christ. AND BY ALL HE HAS DONE WE CAN DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL!!!! HALLELUJAH (a jewish word meaning PRAISE THE LORD). Take heart woman of God, leave these childish things to the children and do that which I have called you to do. Your friend in Christ Jeff |
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2 | What constitutes 'abuse' on the forum? | Acts 17:11 | EdB | 94567 | ||
Jeff Let's look at what your agree with. Because in effect your saying Graceful is right defending a man that calls our Lord and Savior a PITIFUL EMANCIPATED WORM. Is that right? Interesting how some look the Lord. And yes it is very important how we view what happened after Jesus' death, we either believe His death was sufficient for our sins or we don’t. By adding that Jesus also had to be tortured for three days by Satan we actually are adding to scripture. Since that is not Biblical we then stand in danger of preaching another Jesus. Mormons say they worship Jesus and depend on Him alone for their salvation, however we know the Mormon Jesus (who they feel is the brother of Satan) is not the same person as the Christian Jesus. By having Jesus do or endure things that the Bible does not attest to we then find ourselves inventing another Jesus also. So yes the question is very important. Do not be deceived by people that make seemingly minor adjustments to the scripture whether through additions, omissions or out right changes. If they can slip a different Jesus past you and get to worship him as God they have you. EdB |
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3 | What constitutes 'abuse' on the forum? | Acts 17:11 | Asis | 94657 | ||
EdB There are times when the arguments about scripture get out of hand on the forum. Some one makes a statement about what they have heard or read by a Word of Faith preacher and it becomes feeding time in the shark tank. It seems sometimes my screen is tinted red. Doctrine makes a difference. God is in control. He changes a person not the contributors to the forum. I pray for those who do not see the truth because of the veil of religion over the eyes of their heart. If graceful or any other person has a skewed conception of the meaning of scripture we need to pray for them and lay the truth in front of them. Not chew them up and spit them out on the ground. Do you think that Jesus was ranting and raving in heaven because someone called Him a "PITIFUL EMANCIPATED WORM". Brother, I know He has been called a lot worse than that. In fact back in the day I'm sure I was the one who said it. JESUS LOVED me then as He loves those who persecute Him now. It is too bad that you hold such unforgiveness to those who you ministered with in the past. I am not niave and realize that their are wolves out among the sheep. I have encountered some. Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. Forgive our brother as God has forgiven us. EdB, I find that as I read the notes and answers on the forum I sometimes do not see the love of Christ in their words. Scripture is the written will of God. It is alive and cleans us, cuts the division between our spirit and our soul. It is the way not the Law. Jesus can take care of Himself. He wants us to stop doing it for Him and let Him do it for us. That is what I was talking about to Graceful. Be concerned about your relationship with Jesus and stop getting snared by the devil in his traps. It will get you nothing by winning or losing an argument (and most of the strings are arguments not discussions) on the Forum. The tactics used to discredit anyone not holding the same doctinal view of a few on the Forum are disgusting. For instance I did not agree with any of the postings in the concerned string. but you start your note with, "Let's look at what your agree with." Let's look at what I said. "You see we can argue what happened during the three days Jesus spent in the earth, setting captives free (my paraphrase), conquering death, smashing the gates of Hades, or we can shout to the heavens that He is risen and has given all of us eternal life and salvation and a job." There is nowhere in my post that I agree with any statements calling my Lord a worm. But anyone reading your post would think I did. I wonder if there isn't a spirit of bitterness that has gained entry into some who post on the forum. It seems that the forum is being used to separate us instead of bring us together IN CHRIST. Ed I love you as a brother in Christ and I have no quarrel with you. All I ask is that you reflect on how much of the love of Christ comes out in your postings. I hope that I have n ot offended you in any way. If I have then look into yourself to see why. Then forgive me. Yours in Christ Jeff |
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4 | What constitutes 'abuse' on the forum? | Acts 17:11 | EdB | 94674 | ||
Jeff Your right I should not have said you agreed to anything and I apologize, I'm sorry. However when you tell someone they are the righteous of God and person that is defending someone that did say Jesus was WORM I get confused and sometimes assume the worst. I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth it was inexcusable of me. Your also right I should not get as upset as I do, and I do need to pray more. However Graceful has more than once answered a young Christian with some really bad and destructive theology. You tell me, do I sit on my hands and let that person be deceived or do I say something? Christians have sat around for years and have not said anything because they didn't want to appear contentious. I think we can now thank that policy for abortion rights, homosexuality in our schools, prayer being kicked out nearly everything, same sex marriages, people trying to take any thing that mentions God out of our government documents, songs and pledges of allegiance. No I think it is time for Christians to stand up everywhere and call false teaching false teaching. Jeff one of the things I run into in ministry are people that have had everything they believed in torn from them, the reason in many cases is they had bought into the WOF formula. They had mustered all the faith their were capable of and still for whatever reason the thing they were standing against seemed to prevail. Then when they went to their WOF pastor they were told they had either spoke this tragedy into existence or didn't have enough faith to prevent it. To me, telling someone, 'that it was their fault,' after they have just had to bury a child is far worst than telling Graceful her doctrine stinks. But I will try to temper my comments in the future. As far as what would Jesus do when if someone called Him a worm, I think he used terms like blind leaders, whitewashed graves and hypocrites. Let us not lose sight of the real issue here. The Jesus that Graceful holds to is not the Jesus of Orthodox Christianity, the salvation graceful talks about is not the salvation of orthodox Christianity, the god of graceful is not the God of orthodox Christianity. Graceful's Jesus was dragged to hell and tortured there, only Graceful's Jesus could be defined as a WORM. Graceful's salvation did not occur on the cross but was secured by the torture of Graceful's Jesus in Hell, in fact Satan played a part in it by punishing Jesus. Graceful's god lost control of the earth with the fall in garden, almost but not quite was able to sneak back on earth through Abraham and was finally able to sneak Jesus past Satan to win back the world. Graceful's god responses to their beck and call provided Graceful has enough faith and Graceful's god can only do what graceful has defined him as able to do by their understanding of the Bible. No you did not offend me and I hope I didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter. I'm only trying to explain to you what I see as a serious problem and I'm trying to keep others not as knowledgeable as you from getting hurt by bad theology that sounds okay at first blush. It is not my intention to win an argument but rather to expose really bad and destructive theology. If I offended you in any way let me ask your forgiveness and tell you I'm very sorry. Once again I apologize for putting words into your mouth and for making assumptions based only on a few brief word of what you said. EdB |
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5 | What constitutes 'abuse' on the forum? | Acts 17:11 | Asis | 94808 | ||
EdB We seem to want to enter into this argument about what was going on when Jesus spent the three days in the earth. I wonder if God didn’t tell us so we could waste our time trying to figure out what the truth is. He (God) does allude to it in Ps 68:18; Is 61:1; Eph 4:8-10. See the current listings on the Forum. But that is not the point. The object of the posts seems to discredit any one associated with Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers et al. Of course those who write the criticisms, like Hank, are well read in the teachings of the afore mentioned. So each one of the authors of the posts are experts in the doctrine of Word of Faith. I think the only ones who know what they are talking about are you and Hank. The rest only know about the Word of Faith teachers what they have heard about them. Are we then guilty of proclaiming the opinions of others instead of forming our own opinions from our own observations. The Greeks would be reviled. Ed I am interested in knowing what Orthodox Christianity is. Is it Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Judaism, Baptist Doctrine etc? Why don’t we try fighting error with the truth instead of personal attacks. Jesus said the truth will set us free. So our weapons should embrace the truth. Do the Catholics have the only truth? The Baptists? The Methodists? The United Pentecostals? The Jehovah’s Witness? Us? It is pretty arrogant for any denomination to say they have all the answers. We need to admit that we all have some error in our doctrine. Especially since God doesn’t talk to any of us, to instruct us in the revelation of the mysteries of His word. I think we need to encourage one another to look into the scriptures and let GOD show us the truth. If I am in error about a behavior what does scripture say you are to do about it. Go and confront. If I won’t repent then take another so that by two or three witnesses all things can be confirmed. If repentance still is not forthcoming then before the church (forum). Then we are to treat them as a gentile. Paul takes the one who is remaining in sin and casts them to satan so they may be saved in the Day of the Lord. Not beat them up with words. It is God’s job to change us. He is the one who renews our minds. Let rebut error with the truth. Justme has been trying to get a string going about the things we have in common in our doctrines to no avail. I guess people like strife and discord better than harmony. Have you ever heard the message by Max Lucado the he delivered at the Promise Keepers pastor conference in Atlanta a few years back. He asked all in attendance to shout out their place of origin. The result was a cacophony of voices. A rumbling of indiscernible words. Then he asked them to shout the name of the Lord we serve. JESUS was the resounding call of all who were there. A word that reverberated around the arena. That is the answer to our discord. Ed I want to change you so bad, but it is not my job. I can not change you anymore than I can change the color of the sky. However, I know someone who can. If the sky needs changing He can and will do it. He may use me to plant His seeds of change or water the seeds of change but He is the one who will harvest. If some one won’t listen to the truth let God handle it. Remember LOVE NEVER FAILS. CjHeRfIfST |
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