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1 | Is Jehovah lying? | John 8:58 | Ray | 145501 | ||
Hi fellow worker, May I offer some Scripture comparisons? First of all, I would agree with you for Isaiah 43:10, "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the (Lord); And there is no *Savior besides Me. 12 It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you." John 17:3, "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true (God), and the *One whom You sent, Jesus Christ." [Literal translation, parentheses and stars are mine for comparison] Exodus 6:28, "Now it came about on the day when the Lord spoke to Moses in the land of Egypt, 29 that the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "(I) am the *Lord; speak to Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I speak to you." 30 But Moses said before the Lord, 'Behold, I am unskilled in speech; how then will Pharaoh listen to me?' 7:1 Then the Lord said to Moses, "See, I make you as God/ to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet. 2 You shall speak all that I command you..."" John 10:32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the (Father); for which of them are you stoning *Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a Man, make Yourself/ out to be God."" What I see in these comparisons is that Moses was seen as God to Pharaoh, but it was God who was speaking. Compare Exodus 6:30 where Moses says that he is unskilled in speech and Isaiah 43:12 where it says that "It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed." It goes on and says that there was no strange god among you. Similarly, for John 17 there is no strange god here. He and the Father are one. Separate Persons, yet one. Jesus, being a Man [not a man like Moses] made Himself/ God. 1) Colossians 1:15, "And He is the image of the invisible (God), the first-born of all creation. 16 For by *Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created by Him and for Him." Genesis 1:26, "Then (God) said, "Let *Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;..." From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Is Jehovah lying? | John 8:58 | fellow worker | 145514 | ||
John 10:32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the (Father); for which of them are you stoning *Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a Man, make Yourself/ out to be God."" Note Jesus says his good works are "from the Father." This Father is Jesus' God. (John 20:17) It is the faithless Jews that falsely accuse Jesus of making himself "God," or perhaps "a god." The latter appears more accurate since the definite article is lacking. As for 'making man in our image," no argument here. After his own creation, Jesus participated in the creation of every other thing, visible and invisible, according to the original Greek. I had a man tell me just a week ago that unless I believe that Jesus is God, second person of the trinity, I will not be saved. I said if he showed me this from the Bible he would have my rapt attention. His effort to save me ended there. I see that we must ackowledge Jesus is the son of God, that he is the Christ and came in the flesh. I see the importance of knowing the Father and the Son. To say two persons are one God was not going to fly, but the platonic notion of a triune God, having its roots in many pagan religions, now there's a number that people could swallow. I find reading the history of the trinity most enlightening, but do not recommend such reading for the faint of heart. For the rest, any high-quality encyclopedia will do. |
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3 | Is Jehovah lying? | John 8:58 | Ray | 145526 | ||
Hi fellow worker, In the John 10:32 passage the Jews do not falsely accuse Jesus. I would say that they are recognizing that Jesus being a Man, makes God out to be Man. We know that Jesus taught that God is Spirit, and how can the Creator become a Man? We can hardly comprehend it can we; let alone comprehend that He would come to earth to die for us. 1) You have written that "a god" for John 10:32 would be a more accurate choice because the definite article is lacking. That does not make sense to me, and I think that the opposite is true. "...You, being a Man, make Yourself/God." 2) I have noticed your choice of a lower case "son of God" in your posts although you speak of the Son. I know that you have recognized Luke as talking of the Son of the Most High. So do you recognize the Son of God? How do you interpret John 3:6? Do you think that the Spirit [God] would give birth to a Spirit? Would God give birth to a son or a Son? 3) For looking to the second Person of the trinity for salvation, look at John and 1 John as examples. John 20:31, "but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name." 1 John 5:10, "The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son. 11 And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." From the heart, Ray |
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