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1 | Study the Word, Calvin, or Aminian??? | John 6:65 | childoftheking | 35192 | ||
Hello all, I'm new to the forum and I've been reading a lot concerning Calvinism and Aminianism. Since there has been a lot of discussion on these men, I have recently looked into it in an attempt to educate myself on their works. As far as TULIP goes, I don’t agree with all of that nor do I agree with all of what the Arminianist says regarding it. This is just my view from reading off of different websites that explained each view. I have no less than 3 commentaries (Matthew Henry, Matthew Poole and a couple others) that I read and when studying a certain subject or book, I add a few more books to get a wide variety of views on the subject that I can compare with my own. I do not agree 100 percent with what any one particular person says. In explaining things of the Bible to people I will sometimes quote what another has written only because he explains it a little better. I'm just trying to get a handle on this whole debate. I just think that time would be best spent in studying the Bible, and the life of Jesus, how he wants us to live, things of that nature, and not constantly debating the works of Calvin and Arminian. My question is this and not meant to offend anyone but is it not dangerous to put so much emphasis on any Man’s doctrines, to follow them so faithfully and blindly, to just quote what these people have to say and call it gospel? Again, this is not meant as an attack on anyone individual, just my observation as a newcomer to the Forum Thanks for your time, Peace and Joy in Jesus bgg |
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2 | Study the Word, Calvin, or Aminian??? | John 6:65 | Makarios | 35294 | ||
Greetings childoftheking! Excellent points to ponder as we share with you! Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism in each of their "fullest degrees" can claim to be the "exclusive" teaching of Scripture. Some of the main contrasts between these two 'extremes' is the way that Salvation is understood and approached, and there are certain fundamental, irreconciliable differences between the two. That fact, in and of itself, is proof that neither one in their 'fullest degree' can claim to be the "exclusive" teaching of Scripture. I, myself, am Arminian, but I believe in eternal security. I lean more towards efficacious grace rather than that of prevenient grace. But I fully uphold and believe in the sovereignty of God, that He foreknew those who would freely choose Him. And I also believe that Jesus provided the redemption for all humankind at the cross, instead of just for the elect, even though Christ's atonement becomes effective only for those who come to believe in Him. So as you can see, my view is mainly Arminian, even though I do believe in efficacious grace and eternal security. Thank you for providing such a sober and non accusatory look at this topic! And yes, we should strive for discipleship rather than continue to dwell on the imperfections of both Calvinism or Arminianism. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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3 | Study the Word, Calvin, or Aminian??? | John 6:65 | childoftheking | 35417 | ||
Hello Makarios, As you call yourself an Arminian, I thank you for sharing a non defensive point of view. I don't completely understand what you meant in the second sentence of the second paragraph. I will need to ponder what you meant concerning grace. I too believe in eternal security and I also believe in the sovereignty of God. I believe before the world was formed, that God knew exaclty who was to accept Jesus as their saviour and who wasn't. God knows all future events in my opinion and I believe that Jesus died for everyone. I believe that the Holy Spirit draws people to Jesus but all do not accept him. The bible does say that no one can come to Jesus unless God draws them right? No one can seek out Jesus on their own if I'm not mistaken? What about the rich young man who came seeking Jesus about how to obtain eternal life? So one can say that he was drawn to Jesus by the Holy Spirit but did not accept the Words of Jesus on how to obtain eternal life. He walked away and chose to reject our Lord. It also begs another question. The bible teaches that we are to come as we are and that there is nothing we have to do of ourselves to obtain Salvation. Why then did this man have to sell all he had? I kind of think that if he accepted what Jesus said in his heart that he wouldn't have had to sell everything. Kind of in the same fashion as how God stopped Moses from sacrificing his son. Just some thoughts. Thank you again for sharing your beliefs. Peace and Joy in Jesus, bgg |
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4 | Study the Word, Calvin, or Aminian??? | John 6:65 | Hank | 35425 | ||
bgg, perhaps I'm wrong, but I've thought for some time that the rich young man who came to Jesus and went away, as the Bible says, sorrowful, because he had great wealth, was not willing to give up his other god, riches. Jesus is willing to accept me and forgive me 'just as I am, without one plea, but that His blood was shed for me.' But I must be pentinent; I must be resolved to turn my back on my other gods, and surrender, not a part of myself, but all of myself to Him, to subject my will to His, to bow down to Him and Him only as my Lord and my Savior. Jesus accepts no half-way measures, no partial commitments, no double-mindedness. You know, the Bible says we can't serve both God and mammon, mammon being understood as wealth, wordly goods, temporal things. So, in the story of the rich young man, he may have been so devoted to his riches, so devoted that they were in essence the god of his life, that Jesus, knowing this, commanded him to sell his possessions. He may have been saying essentially, "You shall have no others gods before me." The young man did not do this, indicating with almost certainty that he prized the god of wealth more than the eternal life the Savior was offering him. One doesn't have to look long or hard to see the same story being played out in our world today. --Hank | ||||||