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1 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | hey jesus | 241879 | ||
my question has nothing to do with john 3:16 but I saw no other way to get to ask my real question which is about predetermination or predestination are they only about receiving salvation or something more? | ||||||
2 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 241885 | ||
Hello, Hey... Welcome to the forum! That's a good question. The word predestination appears six times in the New Testament. The Greek word is proorizo; which is a compound word, pro (meaning beforehand, prior to) and horizo (to appoint, decree, specify). Hence: to determine ahead of the time of the event itself. Here are the six references (NASB): "...to do whatever Your [God's, cf v24] hand and Your purpose predestined to occur." (Acts 4:28) "For those whom He [God, cf v28] foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;" (Romans 8:29) "...and these whom He [God, cf v28] predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." (Romans 8:30) "But we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory." (1 Corinthians 2:7) "He [God, cf v3] predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will." (Ephesians 1:5) "Also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His [God's, cf v3] purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will." (Ephesians 1:11) Go back and read the references in their contexts. Using the rules of grammar that you already know, you will be able to readily discern the truth of the matter. In Him, Doc |
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3 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | EdB | 241886 | ||
Unfortunately it is not that simple. That is why this subject has been debated for hundreds of years. To many have picked a word and based doctrine and theology on the that one word. God says consider all of scripture and rightly divide it. | ||||||
4 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 241888 | ||
Hi, EdB... I do not think that it is a complicated issue so much as a difficult one. The difficulty does not arise from the text, but rather it arises by our resistance to it. The human heart holds a very high regard for what we deem as essential liberties. When a passage appears to tread upon the toes of that to which we hold dear, then we become uncomfortable. That discomfort ought to drive us to diligence, for it is precisely those pain points that God is seeking to address. It should be noted that I pointed the questioner to the specific Bible passages where the word “predestined” was used. There are many other words that address this attribute of God; and there are even more places in Scripture that speak to His sovereignty. We could point people to look into the controversy on various sides of an issue spanning the centuries. Alternatively, we could point people to the Word of God (Hebrews 1:1-2), the very means by which the Holy Spirit will bring them to the truth (John 14:26). They will not be sanctified by the controversy. Rather they are sanctified by the word of truth (John 17:17), as our Lord Jesus prayed (cf John 17:6, 8, 14, 17, 20). The Holy Spirit has the power to bring these little ones to the truth through the Word -- even without the mediation of others. Let us not fear that He will do an inadequate job. Let us rather rejoice that He cannot fail and that His Word will not return to Him void. In Him, Doc |
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5 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | EdB | 241894 | ||
Doc it appears you are saying that anyone that doesn't read the scriptures as you do are resisting scripture in an attempt to satisfy a preceived need to think we have free will. And you imply you have learned to get beyond that and therefore you are able to read scripture with a clarity that others that stand on the opposite side of the issue of predestination aren't. I agree we aren't sanctified by controversy and more than anything we need unity in the body of Christ. However this issue requires more study than simply reading a few verses that seem to suggest predestination, neglecting other passages that suggest man's free will choice. We must study and rightly divide scripture not seek Scripture to find passages that supports our beliefs in either direction. That is why I said it was a thorny question and one that has been unsettled for hundreds of years. I should have suggestted that instead of seeking an answer from people on a forum like this that have no real accountability to her that she should seek an answer from her pastor. People on both sides of this issue are certain the Holy Spirit has lead them to the truth. They are equally dedicated, faithful, scholars, men and women that have given their entire lives to the study of the Word and seeking the truth of God. I believe all have considered and rejected the conclusion that they reach the choice they did because of a baser instinct or to fill some emotional need. |
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6 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 241895 | ||
Hi, EdB... No, I am not saying "that anyone that doesn't read the scriptures as I do is resisting the scripture..." I am saying that the Scriptures can defend itself. I am saying that the Holy Spirit will inevitably use the Word for His purposes. Which thing will include the unity of the Body (as though His church could be anything other than what He has made it). I understand that there are those who believe that the Word cannot be sufficiently understood by the masses without a pastor or a priest to properly interpret it. Many of these same people insist on a "literal interpretation of the Scriptures" -- at least until the Scriptures read contrary to their dearest held beliefs. Can people be deceived as justme is pointing out in post #241887? Yes, they can. This is why Paul warns that God's own must "no longer be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming." That safe and secure foundation is the Word itself. In a Study Bible Forum, let us continue to point to the Bible. Let us especially do that when someone asks a Biblical question. The more we do that, the more we affirm a high view of Scripture. The less we do that, the more we affirm a belief in the inadequacy of Scriptures. In Him, Doc "How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord, is laid for your faith, in God's excellent Word! What more can be said than to you God hath said, to you who for refuge to Jesus have fled?" --Robert Keene |
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7 | What is predetermination all about | John 3:16 | EdB | 241898 | ||
I agree let us point to the Bible but let us not just point to the proof texts used to support our position. Let us point to the whole of scripture and admonish the person to show themselves as approved of God and to rightly divide it, learning not just pick out texts to support an agenda. I'm not sure why you included this but I never suggestted she need to depend on anyone to interpret scripture for her. I suggestted she sought her pastor so he could in all honesty give her both sides of the debate and help her understand why the denomination she was a part of felt as it did. I suggested this to help her be at peace in the church God had placed her. As I said there are equally able, talented, faithful, knowledgeable, dedicated, honest, wise, sprit led students, scholars and theologians on both sides of this issue. All believe they are lead to their position by the Holy Spirit and to suggest otherwise is unfair and untrue. |
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