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1 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | Ocelot | 166920 | ||
Hello, Sam. BradK and I have differing views on this issue. And so as not to try and convert you, I’ll just say that according to BradK, (and probably most of the people on this forum) “I was wrong.” Ocelot |
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2 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | sgosh | 166963 | ||
Ocelot, Can you more positively state your view with additional Scripture, or is this kind of your own thoughts with no other proof then 1 verse. I was told I was to interpret bible with bible. I am interested in your views. Sam |
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3 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | Ocelot | 166964 | ||
Hi Sam. I’d be glad to answer your questions. I believe as you do that the Bible is the final authority on all things. This is going to be a long response, as I hope to cover most everything that I believe on the topic. First of all, I believe that sin separates us from God. “Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God” Isaiah 59:1, 2 I believe that everyone is not only born with a sinful nature, but that we have all sinned, and because of that sinful heritage which Adam left us with, we are condemned to die. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 But I believe that God did not leave us in that state of hopelessness, but rather, out of His great love for each and every one of us, He sent His son to die on the cross that “Whosoever believes in Him might not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16. I believe that salvation is a free gift, and one that we can by no means earn through any amount of works. I believe that we accept the grace that God gives us through faith. I believe that faith is an act of will. Here’s where my beliefs on this subject differ from most of the others on this forum. I do not believe that once you’re saved, you’re always saved. James 5:19, 20 “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” See also Gal. 5:4; Heb. 6:4-6; 1 Cor. 15: 1, 2; 2 Pet. 2:20-22; 1 Cor. 9:27; Rev. 3:5; Heb. 3:12, 13 I do not believe that 1 John 1:9 is just for the lost. When Christ told His disciples how to pray, He prayed this line “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.” Matthew 6:12. Asking for forgiveness is something that was not only modeled by Christ, I believe it was commanded. Now I do not think that keeping Gods commands will save us, not by any stretch of the imagination. It is a gift from God. But I believe that we separate ourselves from His grace when we willingly sin. That’s where 1 John 1:9 comes in. As for all the finality mentioned by BradK in those verses, I don’t have a problem with them at all. I believe that Christ DID make the FINAL sacrifice. He paid it ALL. We pay NOTHING. All we do is accept the grace that God offers to us free of charge. Romans 6:1, 2 “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?” Okay, so this wasn’t quite as exhaustive as I would have liked. I ran out of time. I try and post on this site while I’m at work during my lunch brake and other brakes. And I don’t have internet at home. So this will have to do for now. If you need any more info on what I believe in this matter, then just let me know. With Christian love, Ocelot P.S. I realize this is going to get some folks upset. I would like to point out that Sam asked me what I believed. So I am answering him. |
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4 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | sgosh | 167001 | ||
Ocelot, Thanks for the response, from talking with others outside of this forum, you are not the only one with your views. Here is where I am having difficulties in all of this. As I said, I am very young in the LORD and am looking to do the right thing and follow HIS word. Here are my questions. 1) You said "As for all the finality mentioned by BradK in those verses, I don’t have a problem with them at all. I believe that Christ DID make the FINAL sacrifice. He paid it ALL. We pay NOTHING. All we do is accept the grace that God offers to us free of charge." If he paid it all, and forgave me for ALL of my sins, then why do I have to ask forgiveness for what has already been forgiven? 2) Is a sinless life here on earth, whle living in this human body, obtainable? 3) In 1 Corinthians 15:50, it says "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." If our sins are forgiven and we are seen as perfect and reconciled to GOD, in can't be our flesh that was reconciled, the two natures warring against one another thing, why are we so worried about confessing every sin to GOD, and am I going to go to hell if I forget to comfess one? Thanks, Sam |
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5 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | Ocelot | 167002 | ||
Hi Sam. Here’s my understanding of the issue. First of all I believe that Christ DID die for ALL sins. Does that mean that everyone will be saved? No, only the ones who accept His forgiveness. So is it possible for Christ to die for ALL sins and yet NOT all sins to be forgiven. Obviously it is. A person may then quote a verse like 2 Corinthians 5:17, that says “Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.” Once again we run into a difference of beliefs as far as once saved always saved goes. So I’ll just move on. Secondly you asked, “Is a sinless life here on earth, while living in this human body, obtainable?” This is another area where I’m sure a lot of people will disagree with me. I believe that it is, but not by any human power. I believe that when we “…confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9. I believe that when we confess our sins and accept Christ’s grace, we are sinless before God. I believe that the Bible calls us MANY times to holiness and perfection. But we certainly can’t do it of our own power or ability. 2 Corinthians 7:1 “Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” I’m not quite sure what you asked on your last question, but I’ll do my best to respond. I believe that the Holy Spirit will convict us of sin that we need to confess. John 16:8 "And He[The Holy Spirit], when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin…” So that’s what I believe on the subject. As you pointed out, I’m not the only one who believes this way. But then again, I’m probably not in the majority either. I hope that answers your questions. If you have any others, feel free to ask. In Christian Love, Ocelot |
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6 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | mark d seyler | 167003 | ||
Hi Ocelot, I want to make sure I understand correctly what you are saying. You have said that you believe that sinless life on earth is obtainable. Do you mean that you believe we can remain sinless for a period of time, which might end when we then sin again? Or do you mean that you believe it is possible to enter a "state of sinlessness", at which time we cease from sinning for the remainder of our natural lives? Thank you in advance for your clarification. Love in Christ, Mark |
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7 | child made during adultry | John 3:16 | Ocelot | 167004 | ||
The first definition you gave is basically what I believe. That we “can remain sinless for a period of time, which might end when we then sin again”. Sorry, I didn’t make that clear. | ||||||