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1 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | BMyers | 232502 | ||
No I don't, but I do see a problem with just completely ignoring the verses that clearly state that Enoch did not die or Elijah went to heaven. So John 3:13 is more important of a verse than the others so we can disregard them? Or maybe we need to look for an explanation that fits all the verses. In both cases, Enoch and Elijah didn't ascend to heaven, but was taken to heaven. No man can ascend to heaven on his own, only through the power of God. Couple of websites that explain better than I: http://www.gotquestions.org/John-3-13.html http://www.learnthebible.org/john-313-contradiction-or-not.html Brad |
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2 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | EdB | 232505 | ||
I have to question your sources since they contradict each other on the "real" definition of "Ascend". In the first they say it means to go with authority. In the second they basically say it means to climb up in your own strength. John 3:13 gives no hint of the meaning of ascend other than to go up. It doesn't suggest going up in authority or pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. And if Elijah did go to heaven how do you explain the letter he sent to Jehoram 10 years later? No I'm not discounting scripture I looking at scripture the only way that it can be looked at witout building a contradiction into it. Any time man's understanding produces a contradiction you can be sure man's understanding is the problem not the scripture. |
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3 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | BMyers | 232516 | ||
I still disagree with your understanding of the Scriptures. To make John 3:13 fit into your understanding, you have to disregard the other Scriptures that clearly state these individuals did not die. I have spent some time this evening reading in commentaries, books, and different study Bibles just on John 3:13 and NONE of them come to the conclusion that you have. On page 282 of Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, "It does not deny that men like Enoch and Elijah had been taken up by God, which is a very different thing." (If I knew how to type all the Greek characters and such I would of put in the whole article, which is interesting.) As far as 2 Chronicles 21:12-15, that is easy, mail service is bad today, what do you think it was like back then! (Just a little humor, my wife is a mail carrier.) Realistically, reading in commentaries, the experts don't agree. It could be the date of his chariot ride occurred after the letter. It could be he sent the letter then was taken up, not like the letters were delivered quickly. So the letter is a non-issue in my book. I don't pretend to be a Bible Scholar, I only wish I had more time to spend reading and studying the Word. Although I do like a good conversation like this that gets me digging and piling up books all around me. I will still have to respectfully disagree with you, but unfortunately I just don't have the time or skills to get in-depth. Off to bed, have a long day tomorrow. Brad |
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4 | Enoch and Elijah didn't see God yet? | John 3:13 | EdB | 232517 | ||
Not to be picky if we read the 2 Chron. letter the content of that letter has tense changes certain events are viewed from the past tense and others from the future. This pretty much requires that the letter was written after the fact for some of the events detailed and before other events. Secondly Elijah didn't take a chariot ride he took a whirlwind ride. Truthfully we can't know for sure but I thought the articles I referrenced/quoted were very interesting and offered a lot of food for thought |
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