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1 | Does Jn 15:16 "choosing" apply to us? | John 15:16 | kalos | 166575 | ||
All are chosen? The Bible says, "For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matthew 22:14 (ESV) So are you saying that when the NT speaks of the chosen (elect) it means everybody - all people? Try this: Look up the NT verses that contain the word "elect". Read each verse, substituting the words "everybody" or "all people" for the words "elect", "the elect", "His elect", etc.. See if your definition of elect -- "everybody" or "all people" -- makes sense when inserted in the passage. For example, using this method, these verses would sound like this: Ro 11:7 "What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but [all people] have obtained it, and the rest were blinded." If one were to substitute "all people" for the elect in this verse, it wouldn't even make sense grammatically. If "all people" have obtained it, then who are "the rest" who "were blinded" Mt 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for [everybody's] sake those days will be shortened. Mt 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together [everybody] from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mr 13:20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for [everybody's] sake [--and He chose everybody--], He shortened the days. Lu 18:7 And shall God not avenge [everybody]?... Col 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; Are "all people" holy? 2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of [everybody], that they (everybody) also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. |
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2 | Does Jn 15:16 "choosing" apply to us? | John 15:16 | Ocelot | 166577 | ||
So answer me this, kalos. Do you believe that God has CHOSEN some individuals to burn in the lake of fire? “Sorry Bob, (my apologies to anybody named Bob) but you’re predestined to burn in the lake of fire.” “But I want to be saved!” “Too bad, God said no.” If you believe this, aren’t you the lucky one. I do not believe that God has chosen to murder anybody. I believe that salvation is open to ALL people. And THAT’S the issue I was addressing. If you disagree with me, then you serve a pretty mean and angry god. If you agree with me, then what on earth are we arguing about? I was not talking about the “elect”. I realize that the verse was. I was simply approaching that verse from another angle. Ocelot |
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3 | Does Jn 15:16 "choosing" apply to us? | John 15:16 | Ocelot | 166578 | ||
That last line should read: I was simply approaching that QUESTION from another angle. My apologies |
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