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1 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | kalos | 126214 | ||
I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE EVERY DAY! 1 Cor. 15:31 (ESV) (Emphasis added.) Angel: Let me begin by saying that the point of my previous post is that in 1 Corinthians 15:31, when Paul said "I die every day," he was speaking of literal, physical death and not a spiritual or symbolic death. Not saying you do this, but many quote this verse to make the point that we continually die to self. I am not disputing here that we die to self. I'm merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31. If one wishes to prove that we die daily TO SELF, this is not the verse to use. NASB Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. Spiritually (symbolically) speaking, Paul writes: "I have been crucified with Christ." "Have been crucified" -- past tense. Paul here is not teaching that we are in a continual process of BEING crucified. He says, "I have been crucified." Have been. Past tense. Not will be, might be, should be, am in the process of being -- I have already BEEN crucified. Col. 3:3 (ESV) For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. "You have died." Past tense. Paul again is saying we HAVE DIED. Not that we will die, might die, should die, are in the process of dying -- "YOU HAVE DIED". Romans 6:11 (ESV) "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." The key word here is "consider". Consider yourselves dead to sin. Col. 3:5 (ESV) Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. To summarize: In my previous Note I am not saying there is no longer any need to put to death what is earthly in you. I am merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks of literal, physical death and dying. In a separate Note, I will specifically address the questions you have asked. Once again I must say I appreciate your zeal for God and His Word. I look forward to your continued participation in the forum. Grace and shalom to you, kalos |
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2 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | Theo-Minor | 126217 | ||
Hey angel - kalos ... I looked up a few words, and if either of you do any Greek study (actual study into syntax, tense, possession, etc.), you might find this interesting. The word is first singular. "die" once. Second it is of the tense "to be" or "to die." It might be worth consideration that what he is trying to say here is that he is "ready to die every day." This would fit nicely with the context going back to 15:29. He is discussing baptizing people for the dead (because they were doubting bodily resurrection; See 15:12-19), and showing how ignorant that is because they are putting themselves in jeopardy hour by hour ... over what? A faith in no resurrection? So he could be saying here: "And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? I swear an oath by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, that I [am ready] to die every day. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what does it advantage me if the dead do not rise? Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we [may] die." I had always viewed the "I die daily" in a spiritual sense, but I have, admittedly, never paid it that much attention. When the topic came up about dying to self, I don't think I've ever really used that passage. I tend, instead, to say, I'm dead to the law, or dead in Christ, or the old man was crucified with Christ, etc. This was a good note you guys posted. I learned something. Theo-Minor |
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