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1 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | Empty_Me | 126098 | ||
Hey guys, can anyone hlpe explian this passage to me? I know it has a message for every christian outside of predicting jesus's death, but I can't get my head around it. here's the verse: "24I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me." |
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2 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | JCrichton | 126139 | ||
Hi, me! Minor was as they say "is on the money!" I want to add... our death is not necessarily a physical death. If we do not die to our old selves we cannot be Christ's disciples. This is a test that we face every single day of our lives. As society revolves, exponentially, about anti-Christian values we are called to witness to Christ. Our eternal life is dependent of our faithfulness to Christ, for as Minor said: if we deny Him, He will deny us in front of His Father! Nothing that we give up to serve Christ is anything compared to everything that Christ gave up for us, in order to rescue from our sinful state, when He incarnated into a body in the likeness of ours so that He may die in our stead! As we serve Him, faithfully, He gives us the power to be coheirs in the Kingdom of God! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | kalos | 126141 | ||
"Every day I am in danger of death!" [30] Why am I in danger every hour? [31] I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE EVERY DAY! [32] What do I gain if, humanly speaking, I fought with beasts at Ephesus? If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." 1 Cor. 15:30-32 (ESV) (Emphasis added.) "Never read a Bible verse. That's right, never read a Bible verse. Instead, always read a paragraph -- at least" (Never Read a Bible Verse by Gregory Koukl) Both in the immediate paragraph (1 Cor. 15:29-32) and in this chapter, the context in which we read "I die daily" speaks of literal, physical death. In the entire 15th chapter the main topics under discussion are death and resurrection. So, taken in context, "I die daily" is speaking of physical -- not spiritual or figurative -- death. "15:31 I die daily. Paul was exposed to so many physical dangers and to such violent attacks on himself and on his teachings that 'daily' cannot be an exaggeration." (Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1976, 1978) "15:30,31 I die daily. Paul continually risked his life in self-sacrificing ministry." (MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) |
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4 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | JCrichton | 126176 | ||
Hi, kalos! I think you meant to post under my other response... Now, when responding to "me" I spoke of not necessarily being a physical death and you responded with: ""Every day I am in danger of death!"" ...are you saying that Christians in America leave under the constant fear of persecution and death? ...are you saying that our challenge is not of a struggle within (spirit vs. flesh) but without? ...are you saying that until we live under the threat of bodily injury or death we are not able to assimilate Christ metaphor of the seed dying in order to be productive? ...or are you saying that Jesus just meant that the disciples would experience that metaphor but that we are beyond it? Here's my complete post: "Hi, me! Minor was as they say "is on the money!" I want to add... our death is not necessarily a physical death. If we do not die to our old selves we cannot be Christ's disciples. This is a test that we face every single day of our lives. As society revolves, exponentially, about anti-Christian values we are called to witness to Christ. Our eternal life is dependent of our faithfulness to Christ, for as Minor said: if we deny Him, He will deny us in front of His Father! Nothing that we give up to serve Christ is anything compared to everything that Christ gave up for us, in order to rescue from our sinful state, when He incarnated into a body in the likeness of ours so that He may die in our stead! As we serve Him, faithfully, He gives us the power to be coheirs in the Kingdom of God! God Bless!" ...Where did I say that we are not to experience a physical death? ...better yet, did Jesus (John 12:24-25) say that we must experience a physical death before we can be His disciple? Jesus is speaking of giving up our past existence and incorporating ourselves to Him: the new (born again) man in Christ! This passage does not speak on Paul or the other disciple's physical suffering or death! Though I can see how Paul's actual sufferings, as well as Stephan and others, are in the same scope of dying for the Lord so that the Church may live and prosper! I do not mean to be disagreeable... perhaps if you were to introduce your post I could gain some sort of direction as to where you are pointing me. God Bless! Angel |
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5 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | kalos | 126214 | ||
I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I DIE EVERY DAY! 1 Cor. 15:31 (ESV) (Emphasis added.) Angel: Let me begin by saying that the point of my previous post is that in 1 Corinthians 15:31, when Paul said "I die every day," he was speaking of literal, physical death and not a spiritual or symbolic death. Not saying you do this, but many quote this verse to make the point that we continually die to self. I am not disputing here that we die to self. I'm merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31. If one wishes to prove that we die daily TO SELF, this is not the verse to use. NASB Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. Spiritually (symbolically) speaking, Paul writes: "I have been crucified with Christ." "Have been crucified" -- past tense. Paul here is not teaching that we are in a continual process of BEING crucified. He says, "I have been crucified." Have been. Past tense. Not will be, might be, should be, am in the process of being -- I have already BEEN crucified. Col. 3:3 (ESV) For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. "You have died." Past tense. Paul again is saying we HAVE DIED. Not that we will die, might die, should die, are in the process of dying -- "YOU HAVE DIED". Romans 6:11 (ESV) "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus." The key word here is "consider". Consider yourselves dead to sin. Col. 3:5 (ESV) Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. To summarize: In my previous Note I am not saying there is no longer any need to put to death what is earthly in you. I am merely saying that this is not the meaning of 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks of literal, physical death and dying. In a separate Note, I will specifically address the questions you have asked. Once again I must say I appreciate your zeal for God and His Word. I look forward to your continued participation in the forum. Grace and shalom to you, kalos |
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6 | Meaning of John 12:24-25 | John 12:24 | Theo-Minor | 126217 | ||
Hey angel - kalos ... I looked up a few words, and if either of you do any Greek study (actual study into syntax, tense, possession, etc.), you might find this interesting. The word is first singular. "die" once. Second it is of the tense "to be" or "to die." It might be worth consideration that what he is trying to say here is that he is "ready to die every day." This would fit nicely with the context going back to 15:29. He is discussing baptizing people for the dead (because they were doubting bodily resurrection; See 15:12-19), and showing how ignorant that is because they are putting themselves in jeopardy hour by hour ... over what? A faith in no resurrection? So he could be saying here: "And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? I swear an oath by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, that I [am ready] to die every day. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what does it advantage me if the dead do not rise? Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we [may] die." I had always viewed the "I die daily" in a spiritual sense, but I have, admittedly, never paid it that much attention. When the topic came up about dying to self, I don't think I've ever really used that passage. I tend, instead, to say, I'm dead to the law, or dead in Christ, or the old man was crucified with Christ, etc. This was a good note you guys posted. I learned something. Theo-Minor |
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