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1 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | userdoe214 | 7816 | ||
As a veteran of both movements I say, move on. Not that I have any complaint with either movement, but because those bodies of teaching are related to events of the past, but our God is doing new things all the time. There is truth in both movements (try to get that part), but some of the errors (one of which you mentioned) are almost too strange for sane people to ponder. Just remember: the Bible and the voice of the Lord are your guides (they never contradict). In the end He will judge your actions by you obedience to those to influences; not your attention to the teaching of men (even very good men). I have every confidence He is your guide, and you are in His constant care, thus never fear to put your foot on the water. mark |
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2 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Searcher56 | 7898 | ||
Amen, glad you are out ... Christian Research Institute (CRI) has something you may want to read http://www.equip.org/free/DP075.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm http://www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm |
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3 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | userdoe214 | 7994 | ||
Sorry, I'm no fan of CRI | ||||||
4 | Mark why do you say that? | John 10:27 | EdB | 7996 | ||
Mark why do you say sorry your no fan of CRI? I always found their work especially when Dr Walter Martin was in reins interesting. They tackle some of the stickiest problems in Christianity today and give an in-depth analysis. I feel their conclusions are not reached without merit. I imagine if you stand on an opposite side of an issue from CRI you would probably disagree but I think you would have to say they presented their case fairly and precisely. |
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5 | Mark why do you say that? | John 10:27 | userdoe214 | 8005 | ||
Dear EdB, You pick a sore with me on this. If you look at my bio you will notice that I've walked with many fringe groups (more than listed). I've never felt like a part of such groups, but my attraction is their many outlandish yet totally committed members. I like people who sweat and bleed what they believe. My only complaint has been; I wish they would think as hard as they believe. But so often I saw people who acted on slightly wrong belief being cared for by God. It's long been a warning to me not to think that God's loving care is based on my sound intellectual knowledge of the Bible, theology, history, or the power of careful thought (all things which lead to boasting). I must clarify that all of these groups were believers in the infallible Scriptures, the Lordship and divinity of Christ, the Lordship of the Holy Spirit and prayed to the Father God. They all believed that it was their mission in life to make the Gospel known to all men. I add this to make it clear that these are in my opinion necessary for a genuine faith--the kind God acknowledges with His presence. So I am not talking about J.W., Mormons or the various expression unitarians.... Now imagine me when I know these people personally and hear a trusted defender of the faith vilify them without mercy. Imagine my feelings when I find out a personality widely trusted/widely published contacts us and says if we don't change our teaching, he'll tell everyone we're a cult. Imagine again that we know that his personal life is in a mess: making a living as a fruit inspector all the while his orchard is worm infested. Should we fire back? In this case we did not, for the supposed evil teaching was not that big a deal to us. Anyway, where could we find a platform big as his? I've often taken the same criteria of judgment the defenders of orthodoxy use and applied them to historic denominations and seen that it's possible to make them look like cults. This gets to a more basic problem. Throughout the history of our faith, there have been defenders of orthodoxy who whipped up powers that be to punish those whom they judged enemies of the faith. Not infrequently we call such a person Saint, Reformer... or some title of dignity, but history has proven that the ones persecuted were holding opinions we consider acceptable today. Now if it just stayed in the boundaries of words, maybe I wouldn't care, but many cases ended up killing people (even their children) for what we today relegate to a difference of biblical interpretation. When I hear attacks on groups (even Mormons, J.W.,...) by these on the radio, I wonder why we continue to defend the faith in this way. My objection is simple: We do not need such men to protect us, for The Holy Spirit and The Holy Bible together are our guide. Any person who caught up in a deception is there because they've 1st silenced the Voice of God, thus 2nd blinded themselves to the Word of God. The maintenance of orthodoxy is between the believer and God: that's why the Scriptures say, you need that no man teach you (and don't take that as a denial of the role of teachers in the church). Now should we talk about right doctrine? Yes, but in the free market place of ideas. We must attempt to extract personalities from discussions and center on the core issues. Admittedly, we often can't tell the difference between core and fringe, but fair/courteous discussion can't hurt. And most of all, never draw the sword over differences of practice--tongues, raising hands in church, infant baptism, church government, laughing, dancing, litergy, KJV-vs-NASB-vs-NIV...get the idea. And just incase you think I go along with some bizarre interpretation of scripture which the faith teachers teach; I do not. There is one in particular who came to my Bible School in the 70's which a voice inside said "be very careful." Now you can read that man's extremely weird beliefs when reading about the errors of the faith leaders. But I always have to say, be sure you really understand what a man means before you judge his words. Many fringe leaders do not have knowledg of the history of doctrine, and don't realize what their words mean to those how have the benefits (and weaknesses) of such study. Think and ask before judging. Give time a chance to expose hearts, and remember ours is a vital faith, not a stone monument. Finally: I ask people to turn off their TVs and radios, reducing their diet of opinion, which passes for learning. If you want to know more of God, seek Him in a quiet place, in unaided Scripture study and with your dear friends. After all, the world you effect is where you live, not hundreds of miles away were TV/radio originate. If you're like me, I can't tell if I listen or watch because I want to know more, or want to take in opinions to strenghen my own to fuel self-complacency and arrogance There you see the puss under this scab Imperfectly His, mrk |
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6 | Mark please more info and no puss :-) | John 10:27 | EdB | 8009 | ||
Please don’t view this as saying I’m right your wrong, or an attempt to defend against the issues you have problems with. I do think most of your problem is with “The Bible Answer Man Program” and probably with Hank Hanegraaff himself rather than CRI itself. I find I can make good use of the resources CRI makes available. Without some of their information I would have no way of knowing what is going on behind the scenes of many ministries. I would rather not learn about it for the first time on 20/20 or 60 Minutes, but rather through a Christian agency presenting it as problem within a ministry rather than ‘look what those crazy Christians are up to now.’ I would have no way of knowing the “rest of the story” of Toronto. Or that other people took exception to a program segment of “West Wing’ like I did. I too have had that small still voice say, “watch out”. And I know we don’t need anything but the Holy Spirit to lead us, but I sometimes find comfort learning there are others that are seeing the same problem I am while the rest of Christianity seems to be in a headlong race toward it. I agree totally that many times differences in education produces buss words that effect the listener completely opposite than the speaker ever intended. I had always believed and still hope that the investigation process that CRI seemingly attempts would eliminate those types of miscommunication. Thanks Mark for letting me know your objections to CRI, I will view their input with yet another filter. Possibly one that will reveal to me the problems you see within the organization. By the way do you have any confirmation on the problems you alluded to. I would be every interested in reading any information. Believe me brother I have no interest in picking your scab I just want to be as informed as I can be. Thanks |
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7 | Mark please more info and no puss :-) | John 10:27 | userdoe214 | 8012 | ||
Don't worry about picking my scabs, it was only a warning of what might follow (I never know what I'm going to write when I get started). I did not mention CRI in that last letter on purpose. Mine is not a complaint about CRI, but the whole world of opinion for popular consumption. The real issues of life are very close at hand. The real news of the day is happening in your sphere of influence, and I don't feel unsafe to conjecture that God is mostly talking to you about the people and events which touch you and you touch. The works of God you do benefit your neighbor, and when you lie down at night the voice you hear saying "Well done good and faithful one," is not coming from a radio. It's all so very simple, but I find it easier to convince children than adults. This has lead me to long wondered why, and suspected that we adults, and long time believers rely on way too many sources for help and information. I like the low tech walk with Jesus more than the gigabyte information sources--(I'm scratching my head right now, trying to square what I just wrote, with the fact that I'm communicating by way of the Internet.) I'm starting to feel a bit embarrassed, like I've talked way too much, or way out of line. mrk |
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8 | Mark please more info and no puss :-) | John 10:27 | EdB | 8015 | ||
Mark I think I know where your coming from and your right. Unfortunately we are thrusted into a world that is ever expanding. I too wish every Christian would stop listening to most radio, all TV and most christian books and get back to the Bible and the Holy Spirit. But as recorded in Daniel "...the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase." Daniel 12:4 | ||||||