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1 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21023 | ||
Tim, while I have no wish whatever to unleash the election-free will issue into yet another full-blown debate, I nevertheless go on record as saying that, to my mind, the passage here (and corresponding passages in the other Gospels) make a poor case for the Calvinists' stand on election. Accordingly, I join you in holding to your option one, i.e., that in this passage Jesus is issuing an invitation to "anyone (who) wishes to come after Me." (verse 23). Jesus did, after all, "elect" to issue the invitation to "anyone.".... But I, Hank, do not hereby issue a blanket invitation to re-open this debate. I've read both sides of the issue that have been presented over and over on this forum about which I have myself heretofore been largely silent. But I do affirm, as I've stated before, that Jesus always said what He meant and meant what He said and certainly does so in these passages, using plain language that is abundantly clear. There are, admittedly, other texts in Scripture that one might use in support of the doctrine of election, but this hardly seems to be one of them. But, of course, this comes from one who is a mere Christian and not a theologian, and is not to say that a theologian can't be a Christian too, although in reading the ideas of some of these modern theologians, I've wondered where exactly they're coming from. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Morant61 | 21034 | ||
Greetings Hank! I too did not what to start another debate! That is why I gave both sides, while simply stating which one I believe! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21039 | ||
Dear Tim, I was quite sure that you didn't intend to open up this old can of worms any more than I and truly did not intend to leave you with any suggestion of the sort. Your answer was an excellent one and presented both views succinctly and accurately, and in the most unbiased manner possible. From where I sit, your posts are a fitting model for fairness, accuracy and gentle treatment of even the hottest and most controversial issues that come before this forum. It would serve us all well to review your posts from time to time, when those of us, especially I, who tend on occasion to become frustrated and allow harshness and abrasiveness to replace the spirit of Christian love and compassion. It's long been a source of joy to me to have you on the forum and I always relish the opportunity to share ideas with you. Yours in Christ Jesus. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Morant61 | 21043 | ||
Greetings Hank and Kalos! Believe me Hank, I didn't take your post in that way at all! :-) But, you guys are making me blush! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21052 | ||
Tim, and now our good friend Kalos is being so wonderfully flattering that he puts me in the league with you, so now I'm blushing. But blushing comes easy to us Arkansas rednecks. We walk around with a permanent semi-blush anyway. It's part of our heritage. God bless both you guys. --Hank | ||||||