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1 | Can one be christian and NOT a disciple? | Luke 9:23 | BibleForum | 20981 | ||
Many had refer to this verse when they teach on the topic of discipleship, or rather the cost of discipleship. I had a question. Can one become a Christian and not a disciple? i.e. discipleship is optional. Anyone care to explain or enlighten me? | ||||||
2 | Can one be christian and NOT a disciple? | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 20983 | ||
Dear BibleForum, an apparently new member of the Study Bible Forum, Jesus never said anything He didn't mean and He meant everything He ever said. And in Luke 9:23 He lays it down in plain and unambiguous straight talk what price He expects of His followers, His disciples -- and, yes, of His Christians -- because the terms are all interchangeable. One can't be a Christian and not be a disciple of Christ any more than he can be married and be a bachelor at the same time. Being a Christian is being a disciple. And being a disciple entails discipleship, whatever the cost may be, whatever the price we have to pay. Christ demands all of us, our total commitment or none at all. He never gave us any other option and never intended to. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | BibleForum | 20986 | ||
Dear hank, Many thanks for your response. I agreed with your view. One follow up question, does this verse to vs 26 teaches about salvation also? If so, then how can we reconcile, if it is possible, with the teaching of election? (since vs 23 begin will 'if anyone wishes to come to me...) BibleForm |
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4 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Morant61 | 21002 | ||
Two Views.................................. Greeting BibleForm! I join Hank in welcoming you to the Forum! Allow me to answer your question from both sides of the coin! The Arminian will say that Luke 9:23-26 is a strict but open invitation to any who would place their faith in Christ. The Calvinist will say that Luke 9:23-26 only refers to the elect, to those to whom God gives the desire to respond to Christ. Personally, I hold to option one! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21023 | ||
Tim, while I have no wish whatever to unleash the election-free will issue into yet another full-blown debate, I nevertheless go on record as saying that, to my mind, the passage here (and corresponding passages in the other Gospels) make a poor case for the Calvinists' stand on election. Accordingly, I join you in holding to your option one, i.e., that in this passage Jesus is issuing an invitation to "anyone (who) wishes to come after Me." (verse 23). Jesus did, after all, "elect" to issue the invitation to "anyone.".... But I, Hank, do not hereby issue a blanket invitation to re-open this debate. I've read both sides of the issue that have been presented over and over on this forum about which I have myself heretofore been largely silent. But I do affirm, as I've stated before, that Jesus always said what He meant and meant what He said and certainly does so in these passages, using plain language that is abundantly clear. There are, admittedly, other texts in Scripture that one might use in support of the doctrine of election, but this hardly seems to be one of them. But, of course, this comes from one who is a mere Christian and not a theologian, and is not to say that a theologian can't be a Christian too, although in reading the ideas of some of these modern theologians, I've wondered where exactly they're coming from. --Hank | ||||||
6 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Morant61 | 21034 | ||
Greetings Hank! I too did not what to start another debate! That is why I gave both sides, while simply stating which one I believe! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21039 | ||
Dear Tim, I was quite sure that you didn't intend to open up this old can of worms any more than I and truly did not intend to leave you with any suggestion of the sort. Your answer was an excellent one and presented both views succinctly and accurately, and in the most unbiased manner possible. From where I sit, your posts are a fitting model for fairness, accuracy and gentle treatment of even the hottest and most controversial issues that come before this forum. It would serve us all well to review your posts from time to time, when those of us, especially I, who tend on occasion to become frustrated and allow harshness and abrasiveness to replace the spirit of Christian love and compassion. It's long been a source of joy to me to have you on the forum and I always relish the opportunity to share ideas with you. Yours in Christ Jesus. --Hank | ||||||
8 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Morant61 | 21043 | ||
Greetings Hank and Kalos! Believe me Hank, I didn't take your post in that way at all! :-) But, you guys are making me blush! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Is salvation taught in Luke9:23-26 | Luke 9:23 | Hank | 21052 | ||
Tim, and now our good friend Kalos is being so wonderfully flattering that he puts me in the league with you, so now I'm blushing. But blushing comes easy to us Arkansas rednecks. We walk around with a permanent semi-blush anyway. It's part of our heritage. God bless both you guys. --Hank | ||||||