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1 | Persicution | Luke 11:52 | humbledbyhisgrace | 155371 | ||
ominous, I agree with a lot of what you said. I want to address a few of your questions and statements. Your question: "so why discourage someone at the first sign of non-conformity?" I don't believe we should. I think you are absolutely correct on this. But, the case with Obi does not fit into this category. Obi is a classic case of intentional false teaching. There is no other way to say it. Obi was attempting to teach not discuss and he did it with deceit which is nothing more then evil. What he was teaching was false. Not because I don't agree with him. But most importantly, the scriptures don't agree with him. Regardless of how smart one may think himself to be, the power of God's word and the truth in them cannot be hidden with lies and deceit. I have complete confidence in this fact. Hebrews 4:12 Your statement: "there is however a difference between rebuking a brother, and convincing a gainsayer, or one looking for answers. there is a difference in misinterpretation and deliberate twisting, but is it being done deliberately, or is that what he was taught?" Again, I agree with your comments about rebuking a brother etc... I think that would be a very good discussion that should be started on this forum. You raised several good points. Maybe you can get this started since it was your question. I would love to see the response myself in hopes that I too could have a better understanding of this issue and what others think about these things. Back to your statement. The point in your statement I want to key on is the part where you say "but is it being done deliberately, or is that what he was taught?" This is an excellent question. I believe it shows that your heart is in the right place on this whole issue. But it also underlines the importance of why we should call evil for what it is when we see it. What about those that did not understand what was going on and what Obi was up to? And to answer your question, it was obvious it was being done deliberately and you can rest assured it was what he/she was taught. The fact Obi was taught this practice of deceit and fallowed through on it is not an excuse for his/her actions. As a matter of fact, it should highlight to others where Obi's church stands and highlight the fact it is not a Christian church regardless of what they claim or call it. It would be much different if someone believed in something because they were taught it and that was that. But when delivered with deceit and with the intentions of twisting God's words (and this is their practice and they are taught these things and their church is built on the intentional twisting of God's word) a Christian I believe should be ready to call it for what it is and reject it. Now if someone was taught something that just happened to not line up with scripture, and they engaged in an honest discussion about it. You would be absolutely correct in how we as Christians should react. ominous, I can honestly say, I took no pride in these things with Obi. But the things seen in his/her actions were not of God. These are the things we rebuke. For Obi I have a heavy heart that prays to our merciful and Holy Father that he will speak to his/her heart and open the eye's. May God bless you! |
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2 | Persicution | Luke 11:52 | jlhetrick | 155373 | ||
Hi Humbled, Good response. First you respectfully gave credit to ominous for his/her right to raise the issues he/she did. Then you properly redirected the issue back to the truth. Well done. In your post, you brought up the issue of beginning a dialogue on rebuking a brother. I think that would be a good discussion even for those of us who "think" we might know the biblical teachings in this area. May I begin the dialague by starting with the following bible reference? Matt 18:15-18 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. KJV Now the only way to do this properly on the forum would be some form of private instant message and/or email which would have to be made available. I believe the rest of this process was played out well regarding a resent ongoing interaction between several forum members and one offender. I had considered calling for a halting of the dialogue with a certain formum member (of which I was at least equally involved). I considered this because I believed the above process had reached the point of "binding". Afterall, even a Jedi can be bound if he refuses to hear two or more witnesses of the church. What good can come out of the continuing bickering? The next question might be, if the one is not a "brother" in the first place, how should he/she be handled? Jeff |
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3 | Persicution | Luke 11:52 | humbledbyhisgrace | 155376 | ||
Deuteronomy 19:15 2 Corinthians 4 |
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