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1 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | newoldstock | 92518 | ||
Should a divorced man or woman remarry? Mat.5:31-32 has perplexed me. I am married to a woman for 33 years now who was previously married and divorced for reasons other than unfaithfullness. We are Christians so I know that God has forgiven this "sin" (was it?), but do we continue to sin by remaining married? Would it be a greater sin to now divorce due to continuing to make each other Adulterers and Adulteresses? | ||||||
2 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 92545 | ||
Dear friend, I can not answer your question. Nor can any other man. Many will voice their thoughts, including myself. M. Henry's comment below, concerning 1Co 7:9, particularily the last sentence, puts it best. Personally, my studies indicate that once you and your wife accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, ALL your sins were washed away. Not just certin ones. In the eyes of God you became pure as pure is. After you accepted your salvation it was, and is up to you to "walk in the spirit" and do your best to remain pure. If you were Christians when you married, you would be in living in sin, with only divorce and repentance as a solution. If you were sinners when you married and have accepted Christ's gift of salvation since, your sins were forgiven. You have only to forgive yourself and accept Gods word. He has forgiven you, yet he still warns others of the same sins He "has" forgiven you of. You must accept His forgiveness in it's entirity. KJV*(1Co 7:9) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Per Mathew Henry's Concise Commentary The apostle tells the Corinthians that it was good, in that juncture of time, for Christians to keep themselves single. Yet he says that marriage, and the comforts of that state, are settled by Divine wisdom. Though none may break the law of God, yet that perfect rule leaves men at liberty to serve him in the way most suited to their powers and circumstances, of which others often are very unfit judges. All must determine for themselves, seeking counsel from God how they ought to act. *** Mat 5:31-31 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Per Mathew Henry's Concise Commentary Mat 5:33-37 - There is no reason to consider that solemn oaths in a court of justice, or on other proper occasions, are wrong, provided they are taken with due reverence. But all oaths taken without necessity, or in common conversation, must be sinful, as well as all those expressions which are appeals to God, though persons think thereby to evade the guilt of swearing. The worse men are, the less they are bound by oaths; the better they are, the less there is need for them. Our Lord does not enjoin the precise terms wherein we are to affirm or deny, but such a constant regard to truth as would render oaths unnecessary. God bless. George |
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3 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | justme | 92580 | ||
GeorJoy: Maybe I read it wrong. Are you suggesting that if these two people were Christians were Christians when the divorce took place, and married each other, that they have to divorce and repent of their sin or they are living in continual adultry? Please clearify as that's how I read your note. Thanks. justme |
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4 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 92617 | ||
Justme, I am not the originator. Only a messenger. If you don't like what I have stated, take it up with the originator. Bottom line; A Christian who is walking in the spirit will not (intentionally) commit adultry, and continue to live therein. If he does, he IS NOT walking in the spirit, for the spirit does not lead contrary to the word. If he thinks he is, he is only fooling himself. He is NOT living in Gods favor. I have only quoted the word, and my determination based thereon. Gods word is not always flowers and roses, as some would have it. The word in it's simplist form, a babe could understand. When our minds are clouded by lifes excuses and desires, the word often becomes incomprehensiable. Even Jesus stated that there would be those who would have a hard time accepting what He had stated on this topic. It's either in Matthew or Mark, possiably in the other two Gosples as well. See for yourself what he said. God's word never changes. No matter what the circumstance. George |
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5 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | Chriatian | 92669 | ||
GeorJoy: May I say your note is not sent in kindness, or a respectfull tone. Something that when you signed in to be a part of the Forum you agreed to! Your insuation that your level of Biblical understanding is so elevated beyond a "babe" is sad. You are offensive, and rude! If you are so wise than get smart and answer me in kindness with due respect or rethink what you agreed to when you signed into the forum! I hope I have made my point perfectly clear! Do you understand me? You refered to "Matthew or Mark, possiably in the two Gospels as well. See for your self what he said." What kind of reference is that? Back up your words specfically! When refering to Jesus Christ we use "He" not he, please. Now as to your answering my question. You will find no place in scripture that would say these people after 33 years should divorce and return to their former mates. Deuteromy 24:1-4 is quite clear on this. What would divorcing do to the children of this union? Scripture assumes we are using some basic common understanding when understanding it. I sincerely hope we are able to grow thru this and improve respect and dialogue as a respectful leve from now on. justme |
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6 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 92686 | ||
I will not argue the point my friend. If you are so offended by the scripture I quote from the word, and insist on "twisting" it, and "nit picking" my typo's as well, then so be it. You opted in to this conversation where I was concerned, I would suggest you opt out of my further conversations if you are so offended by the truth. If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. If you want to live by OT law, rather than accepting Christ's covenant, I would suggest you live it, for by it you will also be condemned. I make NO APPOLOGIES, for what you consider rude. It is the word of God and it IS THE TRUTH. And all who twist it are ANTICHRIST'S. I make no (it is spelled,) "INSINUATIONS." I would state though, that "he who yells the loudest is the one who is hurt most. Please, Justme. Read the word! Study the word. It's there. If only we will open our eyes and see it. Justme, it is apparent you can't or don't want to understand the "specifics" I did quote. I'm truly sorry you can't do a little research on your own and find some "specifics" which haven't been tanted with such as is apparent by so many of your reprisals where my posts are concerned. IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE QUOTED, THEN SURELY YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU READ, for whether you, I OR ANYONE ELSE like it or not, the answer is therein. I understand you, (and more and more, what appears to be your goal,) my friend. I could care less whether you understand me or not. As I have said, "if you have complaints concerning the scripture I have quoted, don't blame the messenger. Take it up with the Originator." I will respond to you my friend, no more on this topic. May God Bless, protect, watch over, and be with you and yours, and may He open yours, (and my) eyes as well, to the TRUTH CONTAINED IN THE WHOLE OF HIS "UNCLUTTERED, UNFOGGED, AND UNDEMENTED LIVING WORD. George |
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7 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | justme | 92689 | ||
GeorJoy: First I want no ill feelings between us. This has evolved to a much higher level that regenerates itself to the shame of Christ. The point is when respect for each other as brothers and the kindness that our Lord demands is tosseed by the side, there is a deeper problem. The topic is good for dialogue, but never is belittlement or down grading a fellow Christian acceptable. One can agree to disagree without becoming disagreable and rude to the point of being abusive. I have only one "goal" and I am sure you have no clue as to what it is. My goal is to dialogue as a win win situation. My goal is to offer alternative views when there are some. My goal is to present Scripture as the Word of God both Old and New Testaments. My goal is to show respect and kindness, as others have me. If anything other than this was precevied by anyone as something different I hope this makes clear what my intentions are, have been, and will continue to be. I said there is a much deeper problem than what has been written. Please consider you have a public that anyone from anywhere can read what is recorded. Perhaps it might serve everyone well to stop and pray about attitudes and remarks made to others whom Christ died for. justme |
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8 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 92781 | ||
Justme, when have I iniated a dispute between the two of us? I should think you would consider not taking what I have quoted and paraphrased from the word as a personal attack. Please reread all corespondence between yourself and me, with open eyes. You may learn something about someone very close. Kindness, I have for all. Where the Word is concerned, I can not help if someone considers it unkind. Respect, I have for "no one" who sugar cotes and changes the meaning of the word" out of what they consider "kindness" to others. I would suggest that anyone who has taken the time to read, knows at least some of the word. If they can't spread the Word without deluting and sugar coating it, it would be wise of them to keep their mouth shut, for that very Word speaks of their wages. Take care George |
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9 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | charley | 92792 | ||
George I love you dearly as a brother in Christ. But I must be harsh with you here. You have stated two things that scriptues are no where in the Bible to be found to support. I state two questions asking for passages to support your assumptions as scriptural truth. Is this not adding to the Book? I am not going to state any verses, but common sense in the scriptures would figure this one out to a more satisfied conclusion of scripture truths. If you want me to enter into the anatomony of sin and restoration I will post with verses to support. It all has to do with a scriptural concept of God and the Holy Spirit. No where does it teach in the scriptures that if you sin. You are sinning everyday there after till you confess and undo the wrong. This is plain absurb. You must show me the passage that says so, before I even accept that. You are in sin. The original sin. Thats is all. Yes, you are in sin but not committing a new one everyday. Are you telling me that if my tongue slanders someone that I am sinning everyday till confession, even tho I do not it again? Are you telling me that one is sinning everyday till he confesses that he stole a bag of money and restores it in full? Are you telling me that I ought slander again to correct the first slander? Or go steal money to correct the first thief? The sin was stealing the money. You are now in sin and have grieved the Holy Spirit and severed your healthy relationship with the God Holy Spirit. One sin and one consequence. You can see this lesson taught by many OT Bible characters. And Paul teaches this throughout the Epistles. Now one must confess and repent or face the judgement or chastisement of God. What does repentance have to do with this situation? Well, just like stealing the money. One must try to restore that person to fullness and receive that person's forgiveness(you may not get and one must receive a clear conscious before God on this matter). If you slander someone you must try to restore them by telling those you told previously of what you did. It is called shaming/humbling one's self and taught through out OT and NT teachings. One other conclusion you drew here and have no scripture for. One must divorce to correct divorce. Or one must sin to correct sin. I see that no where in scriptures. You will have to give me a scripture verse on that. What I do see? is a sin committed 33 years ago. The repentance and/or restoration. I think there is not much of a way to restore this situation of 33 years ago with out committing another sin. By divorcing. Now we have sin number two. Rather confess the sin to God and repent to those involved and ask God to show you how to approach this as a witnessing tool to draw others to salvation or in a closer walk to God. It is the repentance involving shame/humbling that is always hard on our souls, but our spirits rejoice with a restored relationship with God. Let the Lord God be Glorified in all we do charley |
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10 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 92926 | ||
charley, against my better judgement, I will address this topic once again. If you desire scripture, go back and review my notes on this topic. If a child of yours is, lets say, cheating on tests in school, and that child comes to you and asks your forgiveness, what are you going to do? You love that child dearly. You may insist that that child admits his dishonesty to his teacher, you may not. Either way you are going to forgive that child. Now, what happens when two months later you find out that that same child is "still" cheating on tests. What are you going to do? Does the fact a your child was forgiven the first time give that child a free ticket to continue in his or her dishonesty? IT IS CALLED REPENTANCE, PEOPLE! REPENTANCE. R E P E N T A N C E. . . . . Does no one responding to this topic wnderstand the meaning of that word? Or does everyone think that salvation means they have a "free to continue in sin" ticket? Does salvation change the fact that a sin is a sin? It washes the sinner, but they dirty themselves immediately again, and if there is no real repentance, where is salvation? Why did the originataor of this topic make his post in the first place. Can no one see the Holy Spirits conviction apon that person? Remove the motes from your eyes. And then, read your bibles. You will find that your ignorance has already been discribed in the NT. If I seem blunt, it is only due to the fact that I am sick of the "sugar coated" non scence that I am seeing and hearing concerning scripture. If I answer a question, I will quote scripture. If pressed, or if I feel the need, I will give my biblically based interpritation thereof. The more I am pressed, the more "scripturally blunt I will become. I have quoted scripture. Everyone seems to want to argue what I have quoted. Argue all you want folks. But, as I have said at least three times in in this topic alone, "if you want to argue scripture, take your arguments to the originator. I am only a messenger." Too many today just want to hear what it is they want to hear. Why do you think there are so many different denominations? Good Night dear bretheren, and God rest this topic. George |
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11 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | charley | 93106 | ||
George: Let me first say we should look at Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Many more passages on this subject. Showing God is the only one to judge. 1.By saying, they ask the question shows their guilt or conviction. When maybe they are trully confused or in doubt. You are calling the intent of their heart. Judging? 2.When you stated that I should remove the mote and that I should read by Bible and that my ignorance is described in the NT. Do you know for sure? Or is this JUDGING again? I think only God knows my heart. Praise the Lord for he is judge. George you say you are just the messenger. OK. Where is the scripture say, that one must divorce to get out of sin. Or commit sin to get out of sin. Or is repentance getting out of sin? I think the later is the answer as I stated in last post. George there is continual sinning and committing sin. Let us look at this and show the difference. 1. Continual Sinning is when one sin's without regard to God. It could be a sin of this and a sin of that and a sin of something else. Or sinning the same sin. Total disobiedience to God's law or instructions and teachings. 2.Sin is one act of disobedience. Like your illustration of a child cheating. The child cheats. One sin. Two months later they cheat and sins one more sin. Like the Israelites did so often. Sinned and repented. And a gracious God forgave them. But when they started to continually sin and have no regard for God and there was no repentance. Judgement. A sin like many things are a triune. It separates us immediately, progressively, ultimately from the grace of God. Immediately-we lose God's favour Progressively-we lose God's commitment Ultimately-we are judged. At anytimme repentance will restore God's GRACE. George mediatate/think on this. Sex is not divorce and God never said sex was sinful, EVER! Satan loves us to think so instead of the real truth. For Satan wants us to think that sex is shameful when we do it. Satan wants us to think that the most holy thing between man and woman is sin. Because it represents a real truth of God's. So any confusion and Satan wins here. But, God looks at sex as a consumation of marriage. And that is why he hates fornication and idolatry. Because it is marriage and divorce in one simple act. And God hates divorce. Loves the marriage. Now hating divorce is because God hates what it illustrates. Afterall, a marriage (husband and wife) is an example of Christ and the Church. Eph 5:25 Has God forsaken you? Divorce is forsaking another. And that is why God hates divorce, for it is an example of God forsaking the church which God has never done nor wants to be accused of by ones actions. spend less time flaming/judging? and more time with the truth charley |
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12 | Should a divorced person remarry? | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 93109 | ||
My friend, you can play your word games all you want. I am not interested in a debate with anyone who, in a botched attempt to display intelligence, pens such a flowery, meaningless use of words, and twisting of scripture, as what is displayed in your post. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Where scripture is concerned, I know many facts, and one is that your tactics are described therein as well as others I have noted. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, “after the tradition of men,” after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. As I have stated in previous posts; “even Satan can quote scripture, when it appears to serve his purpose, and desire.” I thus withdraw myself from any further debate on this particular topic, for I have presented the truth of the word. If anyone will accept it, Praise the Lord, otherwise, Lord forgive them, for they know not what they do. With respectful prayers toward all who have participated and, or read these notes on the topic of a “33 year old ongoing sin” of adultery; “is it justified or no?” Scripture says NO. Scripturally, the marriage was never recognised in the eyes of God from the first day, and though the sinners may have been forgiven, they have by no means been granted a “free to continue in sin” ticket. Like it or not; IT IS THE WORD…. IT IS CALL ED (REPENTANCE,) PEOPLE! REPENTANCE… Once again, per Mr. Webster it means intransitive senses 1 : to "turn from sin" and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life 2 a : to feel regret or contrition b : to change one's mind transitive senses 1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition 2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for –repenter noun R E P E N T A N C E… George |
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