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1 | adultrus marriage, a "marriage" in Gods | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 93114 | ||
Thank you DAIRYLEADER5, but please be careful stating such truths herein. You will become "fair game." Your words will be twisted, even though they may be direct quotes from scripture. Would you say "scripturally" that an adultrus marriage falls in the category of a "marriage" in Gods eyes? George George |
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2 | adultrus marriage, a "marriage" in Gods | Matt 5:31 | Mommapbs | 93158 | ||
George - just an observation: how can there be a divorce if there is no marriage? A marriage, adulterous or otherwise is still a marriage. Don't you think that some might use this notion (not a marriage in God's eyes) as an excuse to dishonor the very relationship that God created and affirmed in the Garden? Now, for my two cents on the subject: Please consider Hosea, who married a whore, and this verse: Then the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes." Hosea 3:1 Were we not all adulterers, married to the world and yet God loved us and redeemed us? He forgave our unfaithfulness, how dare we not forgive those who are unfaithful to us? My opinion is, if the immoral partner chose not to repent I would say that divorce is justified. However, an ounce of prevention . . . As believers, if we CHOOSE to see our partner as God sees them, (deeply loved, completely forgiven, totally approved, accepted and reconciled as a new creature in Jesus) there would be less martital discord and hopefully less divorce as well. Perhaps this perspective might even be applied in our disagreements with other believers on the Forum too. What do you think? mommapbs |
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3 | adultrus marriage, a "marriage" in Gods | Matt 5:31 | GeorJoy | 93196 | ||
Thanks Mommapbs for your mature response on this topic. I only reciently discovered the truth of your statement “if the immoral partner chose not to repent I would say that divorce is justified in the word." I can’t remember where it is, but as best I can, I will paraphrase what I can remember of the scripture. “If the unbelieving partner chooses to leave, the believer is not bound.” “(deeply loved, completely forgiven, totally approved, accepted and reconciled as a new creature in Jesus,)” is a fact. However, I will admit that I may be wrong, but it is my stern belief is that “repentance” is an absolute necessity, not an optional choice. And how can one have "repented" if they are cintinuing in the sin? Forgiveness is for past and present sins, not a free ticket to continue in sin or a changing of the fact that a particular sin is a sin. Your note makes me ponder my belief deeply. You asked, “Don't you think that some might use this notion (not a marriage in God's eyes) as an excuse to dishonor the very relationship that God created and affirmed in the Garden?” I don’t know where the relationship that God created and affirmed in the Garden comes into play concerning my statement, for there most assuredly was no adultery therein, however I don’t doubt that not some, but many would use my notion, as they would any other biblical notion, to dishonor anything that God created, particularly His living word. I know that many do it through ignorance, but there is a point where ignorance has to either take the path of knowledge, or remain in their ignorance. I will not bend to their play of words and insistence on spreading their ignorance. Would God reconise a marriage between two men? I am sure there are just as many who will argue that point, for I was also flamed for my notes on homosexuality. If I am not mistaken the major flamer on this post, had some flames to throw therein as well. What is the difference between a homosexual and an adulterer? Are they not both sins against the flesh? As to Hosea 3:1. That took place during the 1st covenant. Christ, you will remember, stated in Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: -----and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.---- As I said in my very first note concerning this subject, “Dear friend, I can not answer your question. Nor can any other man. Many will voice their thoughts, including myself.” It is with deep sorrow and pity that I read the blasphemy and insults heaped upon myself for having quoted scripture and voiced my thoughts on this subject. Perhaps I myself have been overly blunt, but what I have stated is biblical and I therefore make absolutely no apologies. If what I say offends anyone, and it seems that there is at least one in this forum that everything I say offends, I can only say that if I have stated anything that I can not back up with scripture, then I am a liar, otherwise it might be wise of those who disagree to either do some deeper study of the word or simply keep the insinuations to themselves, for though I pray constantly about it, even I am not immune to anger and an occasional improper response. Can’t we agree to disagree? Thanks for your mature response on the point my friend. God Bless George |
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4 | adultrus marriage, a "marriage" in Gods | Matt 5:31 | Mommapbs | 93207 | ||
Greetings again George! Here is the scripture you were looking for: "Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace." 1 Cor 7:15 Some clarification: “Don't you think that some might use this notion (not a marriage in God's eyes) as an excuse to dishonor the very relationship that God created and affirmed in the Garden?” My intent was to show how those who are in a married state might feel justified to divorce because their marriage was "not a marriage in God's eyes" . . . as far as the union of two men -I'll use an OLD quote, "God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" Also, to me, Hosea is a picture of the love of God for His people, not just Israel. Again, believers were ALL adulterers, forsaking the love of God for the love of the world. Such a sad union mankind had/has chosen. Yet, God has pursued us and wooed us, making a way for us to return, to be reconciled and having our relationship with Him restored. No one is or will be free from our sin nature until we get to Glory! Of course, our forgiveness in Christ is NOT a license to continue in sin - for when we do sin, we can surely expect the discipline of God which is lovingly adminsitered to correct and restore us. (Some of us are slow learners!) Yes, repentence is necessary for us to experience the joy of the forgiveness that is ALREADY ours in Christ. This is the intended outcome of our confession - refreshment and joy! If our confession of sin was necessary for God's forgiveness, it would be a work. To suggest that repentence is required for forgiveness is akin to saying that the Cross was not enough. By His death, Christ OBTAINED our redemption (Heb 9:12) which He gives to us at the moment of our conversion. It is a done deal and needs no input from us other than to receive it! For a long time, I thought God wouldn't forgive me for unconfessed sins! I struggled with guilt and worried that God was going to punish me and I tried really hard to live a "good" life, one that God would approve of . . . (lies from the pit those are!)- I have written other posts on this and use the illustration of Christ washing the feet of the disciples - one who is clean does not need another bath, so too with the believer, once forgiven of sin, the cleansing brought about by our confession is a reminder of the "bath" we have already had! As we consider the price paid by Jesus to obtain our forgiveness from the penalty for sin we rejoice again and again, praising God for our salvation! As the Spirit reveals areas of sin in our lives, we have an opportunity to respond. Sometimes, even after repentence of that sin, we slip up. Does this mean that we are not forgiven - of course not! Our forgiveness was accomplished by the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS - the penalty for ALL (past present and future) SIN WAS paid - Jesus said, "It is finished!" Praise Him!! Just ponder this for a while. It makes Grace even more amazing that we know! Don't let the criticism of others deter you from seeking and standing for the Truth! We are all instruments, some are just more refined than others, but He is more than able to use each of us and bring about something GOOD out of it! Choose to love the unlovely - God did! He loves me and He loves you and He loves those who persecute you too. His love makes each of us complete. Let's let Him deal with the injustices of others, OK? Seek His face; and Let God reveal Himself to you in His way and in His timing. Please read 2 Peter 2:1-9! Blessings in Him, mommapbs |
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