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1 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | CDBJ | 17234 | ||
Edb, a lot of believers are pre-trib, as I was, but we must remember that God's word is infallible, there are no contradictions in it! That being the case, why does Jesus say that the tribulation will be shortened for the elect's sake? The church has always consisted of believers only, and believers will not suffer the wrath of God. So then as a result, the tribulation period of Matt. 24: in not the wrath of God. Someone said, yea but the church is raptured before the tribulation and these are the tribulation saints. Even if that were true, which it is not, they are still saints of God, and His children and won't suffer His wrath: If they could then we have a contradiction of one of God's promises! Think back to what was ask of the Disciples when they knew that He was going away. They wanted to know when He would be coming back and what would be the signs precedes His coming, so they would know what to look for. The first thing that Jesus said in answer to their question was, take heed that no man deceive you. Now if the rapture takes place before all the tribulation takes place, why does he bother to give the warning? Background And why? Let me give you some background that may help you better understand why this controversy is still such a serious and emotional issue to many. The pretribulation Rapture position first appeared as a significant theory sometime in the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century, depending on whom you credit it to, and it appeared at a time when all of Scripture was under attack by higher criticism. During the early years of the development of the pretribulation Rapture theory, new cults such as Mormonism, Christian Science, Unitarianism, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses began to appear, filling the void created by a growing disillusionment with orthodox Christianity. It is not clear who originally worked out the details of this new view of Christ's coming, but it has been generally attributed to Edward Irving, father of the Apostolic Catholic Church, circa 1825 (later accused as a heretic because of his low view of Christ), and it was later promoted by John Nelson Darby, one of the founding fathers of the Plymouth Brethren Church in Great Britain, circa 1830, and eventually picked up by Dr. C.I. Scofield during one of his visits to England. It was later taught in his church in Dallas, was popularized by his Scofield Study Bible in the early twentieth century, and became the exclusive position of Dallas Theological Seminary and the primary view taught at Moody Bible Institute for the better part of this century. It should be noted, however, that Dr. Samuel P. Tregelles, the renowned conservative Greek scholar of the nineteenth century (the author of six separate works on translation), considered one of the founding fathers of the Plymouth Brethren Church, strongly disagreed with John Nelson Darby on the position when it first appeared in England. Dr. Tregelles believed in a face-value hermeneutic, and he knew the original languages like few others of his time. In his book The Hope of Christ's Second Coming (pp.74-82), first published in 1864, he denounced the pretribulation Rapture position as being sentimental and emotional and without a thread of biblical support. He stated boldly that the pretribulation “doctrine of the coming of Christ [is] not taught in the Word of God… This whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals” (p. 32). He was doubly concerned about this new view because it also promoted a new position that made the gospel of Matthew no longer applicable to the church, discarding the gospel into what he called “the Jewish wastepaper basket” (pp. 37-39). This info. Is from pages 192 – 194 of the Rapture Question answered plain and simple by Robert VanKampen 1997 I hope this will challenge your thinking! Yours in Christ, CDBJ |
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2 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | EdB | 17249 | ||
Put your soap box away and read what I said. I really don't care which position you support. Pre trib and mid trib have been discussed at great length here. All I said was, what you said about "Christians" flocking to false teachers when something rattles their world is true and should be alarming to the church in general. | ||||||
3 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | CDBJ | 17332 | ||
I am sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone with the facts. CDBJ | ||||||
4 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | EdB | 17335 | ||
CDBJ Come on be a honest admit it you were looking for an opportunity to expound on your belief on mid trib rapture and really didn't read what I had said. Don't make it sound like I was rejecting your "facts", which I wasn't. The issue of pre trib, mid trib or post trib is not a big concern to me since I get through each and every day by and in the grace of Jesus Christ. However you did make a great point which is now all but lost. That point being that many Christians can be so shaken by some event that they will even turn to false teachers for answers. CDBJ please don't try to make me look like fool because you didn't read what I first had said. |
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5 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | CDBJ | 17344 | ||
I do not believe in pre-trib, mid-trib or post- trib. I believe in the pre-wrath position that the Bible teaches, if you want to hang a name on it! I use to be pre-trib untill the truth was pointed out to me, using all the Scripture that pertain to the end time events. And that's as honest as I can get. It is just like when I first found the truth of the Gospel, I wanted to share the truth of Jesus with everyone I came in contact with. That was far easier, then trying to share the truth of Christ second coming with brothers in Christ!!! What wrong with this picture?? CDBJ | ||||||
6 | will the world end soon | Matt 25:13 | EdB | 17354 | ||
What is wrong with this picture? What is wrong my friend is you can’t or will not read. Below is a brief sequential copy of the thread. You will notice IF YOU WILL ONLY READ what I wrote that NOWHERE did I challenge your position on the rapture. I said the rapture aside what you did say was astute (I now believe you stumbled on it). That was as you stated when people if they should find themselves wrong on the rapture would even run to false prophets and teachers. I said the fact that people would go look in the wrong place for a answers should be a concern to us all. As I have repeatedly said I’m not entering into the rapture debate I was simply trying to congratulate you on making an observation. You in turn have made every attempt to make me out the fool because you think for some reason I don’t support your position on the rapture. You my friend don’t know what I believe on the rapture from this thread because I never expressed it. That my friend is what is wrong with this picture. You have repeatedly tried to put me into a position opposite of you in reference to the rapture and I never stated my position. In other words you were arguing about nothing. Which makes me wonder seriously about anything you have to say. That is the picture you painted. Now before you add anymore color do yourself a favor reread this thread and then say “I’m sorry” Subject: will the world end soon Note: If I am wrong, then you can say "I told you so" on our way up to meet the Lord in the air:-) But if I am correct, then you will see some man rise to power and confirm a seven year covenant with Israel (remembering that every agreement with Israel is not front page news.) You will see a temple built and sacrifices begun, and then Elijah as well as another prophet/witness will appear, there will troop movements toward Jerusalem, then the "antichrist" will seat himself in the temple, and... well, you know the rest. I would encourage you to ask the Lord about this, and then get out your Bible and search diligently to see if these things are so (especially you men who have been entrusted with the safety of your families and congregations.) I shudder to think what will happen to the average Christian who has been led to expect a PreTrib rapture, when the antichrist is revealed. Will they flee from those pastors who were mistaken, straight into the eager arms of the false teachers and false prophets so often warned about? I don't know. My only obligation is to warn you. Now I will consider the warning sounded. . Maybe that's why Jesus said, (Will I find faith when I come?) CDBJ Subject: will the world end soon Note: CDBJ The battle of pre trib and mid trib has raged for years, I have an opinion as does everyone. However you said one thing that to me is prophetic, ‘if anything occurs contradictory to what their Pastor has said many Christians will run in all direction even into the arms of false teachers and prophets.’ Maybe it is time for Christians to step up and become responsible for what they believe because they have studied and prayed and this is what the Holy Spirit has shown them Subject: will the world end soon Note: Edb, a lot of believers are pre-trib, as I was, but we must remember that God's word is infallible, there are no contradictions in it! That being the case, why does Jesus say that the tribulation will be shortened for the elect's sake? The church has always consisted of believers only, and believers will not suffer the wrath of God. So then as a result, the tribulation period of Matt. 24: in not the wrath of God. Someone said, yea but the church is raptured before the tribulation and these are the tribulation saints. Even if that were true, which it is not, they are still saints of God, and His children and won't suffer His wrath: If they could then we have a contradiction of one of God's promises! Think back to what was ask of the Disciples when they knew that He was going away. They wanted to know when He would be coming back and what would be the signs precedes His coming, so they would know what to look for. The first thing that Jesus said in answer to their question was, take heed that no man deceive you. Now if the rapture takes place before all the tribulation takes place, why does he bother to give the warning? Subject: will the world end soon Note: Put your soap box away and read what I said. I really don't care which position you support. Pre trib and mid trib have been discussed at great length here. All I said was, what you said about "Christians" flocking to false teachers when something rattles their world is true and should be alarming to the church in general. If you reread this and your face isn’t red, stop think and read it again. I never once said anything about your position on the rapture. Ed |
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