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1 | left during flood,left second coming | Matt 24:39 | CDBJ | 34261 | ||
You said that Christ will come very quietly in your third paragraph. This will be the most spectacular event to ever take place in the history of the World and you think that God will sneak us out of here with out any fanfare? I am more inclined to believe what it says in the Book of Revelation about the removal of the believers. Look at everything that takes place before Rev. 7:9 the very first words of verse 9 is (after this). Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; This is the whole body of Christ right after the rapture and if you assume that it is only a few that were saved during the tribulation, where is the church? This a very great gathering since (all) the angels were there, the elders were there, and the four beast were there but according to what you are trying to say, supposing that that church was rapture earlier, they weren't invited, I DON'T THINK SO! You say that you believe that the book of Revelation is chronological, I don't believe it is any different then the rest of the way that Christ use to teach. Jesus would tell his disciples something then he would explain it to them; Rev. is taught to us the same way. CDBJ |
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2 | left during flood,left second coming | Matt 24:39 | Hecameforu | 34458 | ||
CDBJ, Part 2 As per your statement concerning Rev 7:9. “This is the whole body of Christ right after the rapture and if you assume that it is only a few that were saved during the tribulation, where is the church? This a very great gathering since (all) the angels were there, the elders were there, and the four beast were there but according to what you are trying to say, supposing that that church was rapture earlier, they weren't invited, I DON'T THINK SO! “ You must relax my brother. You seem uptight when your view differs with another’s view. I never said or intimated that there was only going to be a few saved during the tribulation period, just that the Church would not be on the earth during it. You mention the words “after this”. After this does not mean after the rapture. You have to go back to verse 3, which mentions the sealing of the servants of God on their foreheads, which are the 144,000 Jewish witnesses and then it’s mentioned how many from each tribe were sealed. Again you must see the difference between the rapture (being caught up together in the clouds) and the coming in Power and Great glory (the gathering of everyone). If you notice that in this chapter it tells of the 144,000 witnesses and then all nations, people…etc,etc. This is clearly a distinction between Jews and Gentiles while in the Church, there is neither Jew (Gal 3:28) nor Gentile. Another point that makes one think that the Church is not in this crowd is that their identities are spelled out in verses 13-14 in which John did not know who these people were. They are clearly stated as coming out of the great tribulation, all of them. Here again, I maintain that the dead in Christ have been raised and the Church has already been raptured and is here signified by the four and twenty elders, which are “seated”. Twelve of which are the Apostles representing the Church. If you read this passage carefully, they are “standing” before the throne of God and serve him night and day.. This appears, at least to me, to be an earthly scene, not a heavenly one. Plus, there isn’t any night in Heaven. Rev 21:25, 22:5 In the words of one of the brothers on this forum “I have found that a person can learn more if he doesn't push the envelope to the point where he is no longer flexible”. Love in Christ, Barry |
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