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1 | left during flood,left second coming | Matt 24:39 | CDBJ | 34261 | ||
You said that Christ will come very quietly in your third paragraph. This will be the most spectacular event to ever take place in the history of the World and you think that God will sneak us out of here with out any fanfare? I am more inclined to believe what it says in the Book of Revelation about the removal of the believers. Look at everything that takes place before Rev. 7:9 the very first words of verse 9 is (after this). Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; This is the whole body of Christ right after the rapture and if you assume that it is only a few that were saved during the tribulation, where is the church? This a very great gathering since (all) the angels were there, the elders were there, and the four beast were there but according to what you are trying to say, supposing that that church was rapture earlier, they weren't invited, I DON'T THINK SO! You say that you believe that the book of Revelation is chronological, I don't believe it is any different then the rest of the way that Christ use to teach. Jesus would tell his disciples something then he would explain it to them; Rev. is taught to us the same way. CDBJ |
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2 | left during flood,left second coming | Matt 24:39 | Hecameforu | 34457 | ||
Nice to see you CDBJ, It's been too long since I've read your pleasant words. :) First of all my brother, "a thief in the night" are the words of our Lord, not mine. I used "quiet", you used "sneak". Now isn't that what a thief in the night does, he sneaks in, takes what he wants and sneaks out? If this is not what a thief does then I'm mistaken and stand corrected. If a thief comes into your home at night and steals your wife’s diamonds, you wouldn't know it until your wife went to put her diamonds on. Well that’s what’s going to happen during the rapture. People will not know until it's too late. A thief does not come in power and great glory. Our Lord says “then they will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and great glory”…….. “coming”, which means being seen from a distance as he comes to earth on the clouds with power and great glory. You don’t see a thief wen he comes in the night. A thief does not broadcast his actions. Also notice the word “they”. Jesus says “they will see”, not you will see, or you will all see, because the Church will no longer be there. I did not say that Jesus wasn't coming in Power and Great Glory. Indeed he is, but I maintain after the tribulation which is after the “rapture” when the Church is caught up in the clouds. There’s also a big difference between the words “caught”, “taken” and the word “gather”. Caught and taken are similar though. Caught: I Thess. 4:17 harpazô; from a prim. root harp-; to seize, catch up, snatch away:--carry off, snatch, snatched...away, snatches, snatches away, snatching, take...away...by force, take...by force. Taken: Matthew 24: 40-41 and many others paralambanô; to receive from:--receive, received, take, taken, takes, takes along, taking, took, took...along, took...aside, took along. Gather: Matthew 24:31, Ephesians 1:10 among others episunagô; to gather together:--gather...together, gather together, gathered, gathered together, gathers These are two separate moments. The Church is caught up or taken during the rapture and the elect and all in heaven are gathered together during our Lord’s glorious coming in Power and Great Glory. I’m sorry if you can’t see the difference between the two. I’m sorry if you can’t see what I’m trying to relate. I did not say that there were only a few that were saved during the tribulation. I did not say that the church was “not invited”, as you put it. The Church, when raptured is to be forever with the Lord as it says in 1 Thes. 4:17 It is not my contention to sway you or to argue with you but to present my view to the best of my ability. I was not anticipating a discussion of the Book of Revelation, just merely making note of the distinction between the Rapture and our Lord’s coming in Power and Great Glory. I hadn’t brought up this passage before but seeing as how you did, let’s take a quick look at it Rev 7:9 is, as you put it; "the whole body of Christ right after the rapture"? Well Jesus did say that no one knows the day, or the hour except the father, but you seem to have it pinpointed down to right after the sixth seal. That’s some divine revelation you’ve been given there brother :-) Matthew 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” This is where Rev 7:9 comes in. Well I certainly don’t profess to understand all the Bible and I’m always open to different views. Part 2 is next but not as long |
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3 | left during flood,left second coming | Matt 24:39 | CDBJ | 34468 | ||
I agree with you 100 percent about the thief but the problem is that Christ isn't going to come like a thief for the believers, at least the way I read it. 1 Thes. 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. The valuables that are going to be taken are His elect and as soon as we are removed God is going to clobber those that are left, and it will be right after the great tribulation. The great tribulation is caused by the wrath of the Antichrist not the Lord. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. The short time is the last three and a half years. Jesus said that the tribulation will be cut short for the elects sake so that puts believers in that period. God has promised that his elect will not suffer His wrath and since there are believers on earth during the great tribulation that means that God is not metering out the wrath the adversary is. But the promise was given to all those believers that endure the tribulation till the end then they will be delivered. Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That's the rapture, Jesus will deal out punishment to those that have been troubling His elect. The rapture and retaliation is all going to happen on the same day. 2 Thes. 1:6-12 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. God will deal out fire to those who trouble his elect and he is going to do it on the same day that he come to be glorified in his saints. It will be like it was in the days on Noah, the believers were sealed up then wham. Lot shows us the same example it happened so fast that Lot almost got his shirttail burnt on the way out. Check it out it all ties together. CDBJ |
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