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1 | Will the 2nd Coming Ever Occur? | Matt 24:34 | Morant61 | 55415 | ||
Greetings Treadway! Welcome back my friend! I am definitely saddened by the route you are taking my friend. You have progressed from abritraily deciding how long 'soon' is to deciding that 'soon' now means 'never'! :-( So, are we to now ignore all of the passages which emphatically state that Christ is returning simply because you don't think He came back 'soon' enough? For example: 1) Mt. 24:30 - "‘‘At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." 2) Mt. 26:64 - "‘‘Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. ‘‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”" 3) John 14:3 - "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." 4) Acts 1:11 - " ‘‘Men of Galilee,” they said, ‘‘why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”" 5) Acts 3:19 - "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets." 6) 1 Thess. 5:15 - " According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." 7) 1 Thess. 2:19 - "For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?" 8) 1 Thess. 3:11 - "May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones." 9) 1 Cor. 4:5 - " Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God." 10) 1 Cor. 11:26 - "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes." 11) 1 Cor. 15:23 - "But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him." 12) 2 Thess. 1:10 - "on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you." 13) 1 Thess. 5:23 - "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 14) 2 Thess. 2:1 - "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers," 15) 2 Thess. 2:8 - "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 16) James 5:7 - "Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. 8 You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near." 17) 1 John 2:28 - "And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming." 18) Rev. 1:7 - " Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen." Scripture is very clear - Christ is coming again! Unfortunately, your 'discoveries' about this issue are simply old complaints repeated over and over again: 2 Pet. 3:3 - "First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, ‘‘Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”" Don't be deceived my friend! He is coming back again - "SOON"! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Will the 2nd Coming Ever Occur? | Matt 24:34 | Treadway | 55431 | ||
To Joe and Tim: First, thank you, Joe, for the info. I haven't gotten to any stage where I'm declaring myself any kind of "preterist". Although what I've suggested may align with that view, in the final analysis the road forks. Again, I stress the "inconvertible" support that lies within Scripture. Although this evidences may fly in the face of long held beliefs, it cannot be hidden from discerning eyes. What it means, ultimately, for the 2nd Coming proponents, is up to them. It will be their perspectives, their hopes and faith, that are tested. They can choose to ignore, which is fine; or, they can adapt. Again, I appreciated your response that was well thought out, well written, and very informative. ----------------------------------- Greetings Tim: You wrote: "I am definitely saddened by the route you are taking my friend. You have progressed from abritraily deciding how long 'soon' is to deciding that 'soon' now means 'never'! :-( " Well Tim, I am saddened that you are saddened. But any kind of revelation should be cause for rejoicing. Truth can set one free. Epiphancy can lighten the heart strings. As for my deciding "arbitrarily", nothing could be farther from the reality. I didn't have to decide. It's there, black and white, no wiggle room. Two plus two adds up to four. Nothing arbitrary about piecing together the supplied evidence. "Soon" meant "then", in the 1st Century. Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, Revelations declared the coming to be "right around the corner". You wrote: Scripture is very clear - Christ is coming again! In all of your listed verses, Tim, who is Jesus talking to? Can you make a definitive declaration that He means an indefinite future of genertions? Also--and this is the most important aspect of your assertion--you fail to list all the verses from all the participants that state that Jesus is expected in their lifetime. Why would you want to ignore them? I certainly won't list all those utterances, since I have already done so in other posts, but to ignore them is nothing short of escapism. Then, you do not address the OT prophecies. Do you suggest that the OT prophecied that the Messiah would come twice? Who would know better than anyone else what the promised Messiah was supposed to do, than the Jews? According to their prophecies, Jesus did not qualify, and certainly would not be returning. That must be dealt with; it is part of the equation. This issue is far too important, too critical, for "arbitrariness". Good thoughts....(I'll check back in a couple of weeks :) Treadway |
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