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1 | EXPLAIN MATTHEW 24 VS. 1-10 | Matt 24:1 | Coper44 | 184872 | ||
Jeff, I must say that I never anticipated this type of response when I entered this forum. I asked a question and thought it would be answered. I haven't purposely shielded myself from the light, I simply haven't received an answer. I am beginning to wonder if the futurist perspective has had a weakness exposed. As to the Matt. 24:15-31 passage. You wrote: "Absolutely nothing close to what Christ Himself described has been recorded in any source of history and I confidently say that such events could not possibly occur and not be recorded and discussed world-wide." I have learned to be careful when making these types of statements. Unless one has studied the events of 70AD exhaustively, and been able to rule it out definitively, he is not qualified to rule out a first century coming as at least a possibility. Again, and I say this with humility and respect, when you read the passage you've referred to in it's proper context, Jesus was telling his disciples (not some unmentioned future generation) to recognize the signs of His coming. Please take the time to think through this before responding. This is an example of a previous question that has gone unanswered. When Jesus told Peter, James, John and Andrew, "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)(Matt. 24:15), wasn't He, in effect, unsealing the book of Daniel that was previously sealed? If not, why would Jesus even mention it here? If the answer is yes, then they were living in the time of the end. Obviously not the end of the earth, but the end of the Old Covenant age. And again, immediately after the Matt. 24:29-31 passage you quoted, Jesus said, "From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place (Matt. 24:32-34). Notice Jesus said "all these things" twice in this passage referring back to all that had been said up to this point which would include Matt. 24:29-31. If you were one of the four who heard His words, would you believe He would return in your generation? There is no mistaking the fact that the disciples later understood that His coming was near because that is what Christ Himself taught them (1 Pet. 4:7, James 5:7-9, Rev. 1:1-3) So, when you say, "I take those words to heart and caution others that if anyone should say "look, he came in 65AD, or 90AD, or 95AD"; do not believe it. for when He comes He will come "on the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory.", in light of the context of the passage, you are misusing it, right? It would be like you or I reading the words of Abraham Lincoln and warning others of an impending civil war in the Uninted States. Sometimes it's not easy being challenged to defend what you belive. I've had my share of times feeling stressed and overwhelmed at the possiblity that there is another view that just might be closer to the truth than what I had been conditioned to believe. But, I am compelled to trust Scripture over man's wisdom (Rom. 3:4). I would appreciate your blessing in allowing me to continue to comment on this forum even though you don't agree with my views. While I can't control how others respond to my views, Preterism is an accepted form of interpreting Scripture and it could be beneficial to those who have not been exposed to it. Coper |
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2 | EXPLAIN MATTHEW 24 VS. 1-10 | Matt 24:1 | jlhetrick | 184875 | ||
Coper, I can appreciate that you did not anticipate the types of responses you are getting on the forum. We see many come and go that jump in with both feet attempting to push their biased views. Less frequently do those initiate the dialogue under the pretense that they 1) have little understanding regarding the topic of their question when they truly believe they do, and 2) comment that they are off track and want to be redirected "back to Scripture" when they really don't believe they are off track; and in fact the goal is to pull others into their view. So you will have to appreciate that as you began to reveal yourself, your credibility quickly became questionable. Furthermore, you continually accuse others, including myself, of "abusing" and "misusing" Scripture. All the while you continue to use Scripture loosely to support your own ideas while rejecting any possibility that ALL of those responding to you might have a point. You wrote: "Unless one has studied the events of 70AD exhaustively, and been able to rule it out definitively, he is not qualified to rule out a first century coming as at least a possibility." DONE and ruled out definitely; thus, the realization that Christ has not yet returned "on the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory". I do appreciate your enthusiasm and as you have studied up on the issue for all of a year now (according to your words) I hope you will follow your own advise and continue with your research. As for your less than relevant remark about reading Abraham Lincoln the answer is no. We have a very accurate collaboration of historical information to verify the Civil War has occurred. It's in sticking to the topic that we find that there is not that same type of reliable information to support the history that you wholeheartedly teach. In all honestly Coper, the short time you have spent looking into this subject really only begins to qualify some good guessing; hardly sufficient to position yourself as a teacher of the topic. In the mean time keep in mind. In speaking of His return, Jesus said no man knows the hour or the day. In speaking of His return Jesus also said that when it does occur it will be obvious to everyone and "all the tribes of the Earth" will see it. That, being the grandest and most obvious reality of the prophecy should be what you are looking for. If you corroborate that with history, please, bring it to our attention. As for my blessing in allowing you to continue on the forum, you don't need it but you certainly have it. With that said though, I won't be responding further to this this topic as I see it unfruitful and plenty divisive. And know, I don't place all the blame for that on you. God bless, Jeff |
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