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1 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56085 | ||
Johnny, Answer to your question 1, why would Jesus have to teach (tithe) what God has already establish! |
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2 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56223 | ||
See you cannot disporove my points I have many questions to ask then it seems that you cannot answers it. Next time when you engage in a didcussion make sure that you know how to answers questions before asking yours. Please disprove fisrt the qouoted verses of the other side before asking your questions. You give answers to my question "why would Jesus Christ have to teach the tithe what God already establish" but you forget to disprove that tithe is not including in the law of moses. Paul said it cannot justify us. You must prove that tithe is not including in the law of moses and other points that I raise. It show of your lack of idea how the discussion goes, you should disprove my point before asking your point. Until this time you did not disprove even one of points. You said"Answer to your question 1, why would Jesus have to teach (tithe) what God has already establish!" My answer: Your answer and questions again show that you are not aware of what you had answer to me. you did not make study to your question before asking it. If your reasoning that if God establish it, then Jesus need not to teach it, who establish the law? It is God. God establish the law through moses as a representative of the law: Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. God established the law why it has to change? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. God establish the first covenant, why it has fault? Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. God established this law in the old testament... De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. and Jesus taught it again in the new testament! Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. So if your logic is when God established Jesus need not to teach and "tithe is established by God, Jesus need not to teach it! wrong, wrong, wrong!. God bless, Johnny Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. |
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3 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56239 | ||
Please read my second post to you. You still prove nothing. Tithing is of God. Some (like yourself) may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal? Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law--to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18, and fulfilling is the perfecting, not the destruction, of anything. hence the payment of tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. Right giving is a part of right living. The living is not right when the giving is wrong. The giving is wrong when we steal God's portion to spend on ourselves. God Bless |
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4 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56304 | ||
I did answer that to you Law is for God as well, I exaplain to that the law included in the tithe and you have to prove to me that tithe is not including in the law! God established the law trough moses but it has to change! Again you ignore my last post and my answer to your question. You keep jumping in what comment do you like. You said"Some (like yourself) may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal?" What kind of question is this? As I told you before Jesus Christ gave us the two commandments: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. On that two commandments hang all the law of the prophets. What is it in the law that you disobey when you observe that tow law that given by Jesus Christ? Are you going to murder if love you neighbour? Are you going to steal from them if you love them? Do you think, before asking this question? You said"Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law--to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18," My answer: I did explain this to you before that He fulfill the law with a deeply and different meaning. I ask you if He disobey the when He done work on sabbath, but you ignore it to answer. You said" tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. offering yes! but tithe is not! can you show in the new testament that Christ taught that we have tithe to support His ministry? I know you again ignore this. If you are telling the truth that to support the ministry we have to tithe prove me that Paul require anyone to give tithe in his evangelical journey? show me in the scriptures that they collected tithe enable to support his evangelical works? I know again you will not answer this, but I try. My friends don’t rely own your words that support your statement with the scriptures. If you are telling the truth that enable to support the ministry we give tithe please show me any of the disciples that collecting tithes enable to support their mission? If you can show those verses and event, that will close this discussion, but if cannot show me those verses and events, it is true that you rely in your heresay. Please be reminded that you still not disprove my points! You did not put any verses that will show that Christ teach the tithe! Let remind you to the pints that I raise and you ignore, please try to answers my questions before putting yours, with all due respect when you asked me about abraham and how he tithe I answers those question to you. Now here is my points that I want you to answers. And please answers them with the passages in the new testament. I hope you know when I said teaching of Christ it is in the new testament. 1. Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. If you cannot show them please dont bother anymore! With all due respect you dont know how to deal with discussion, learn it first before you engage! God bless. Johnny |
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5 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56305 | ||
Well, it's about time, you finally got it! As I told you the first time I didn't want to creat an thread on this subject. Yes, I have learned to tithe. Now good night and God bless. |
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6 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56322 | ||
Yes I got it that you dont know how to handle discussion. You dont know how to disprove even one of my point raise. You even dont try to show me the verses that will disprove my point. It is you cannot answer my question, and rely in your heresay! You didn't want to create thread on the subject of tithe because you dont know how to depend what you believe in! You still have the chance to answer my questions if you want. please show me the verses that will disporove my points otherwise you will accepted that you dont know how to deal with discussion at the same time cannot disprove any quetion that I raise to you. If you notice I am active to answer your question verse by verse, it is you that jump if I did answer your questions you leave it and put your nonsense reasoning without bases: Here are the points that I want you to answers: . Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. Please to disprove them and answer them if you are really telling the truth and not rely in you nonsense heresay. You cannot tell me that I am discussing with you with my heresay to. I put verses to support it. Prove to me that you know how to depend what you believed! Please answer me if have the answer to those question I raise. I want an answer to those not a nonsense kind of answers! God bless, Johnny God bless! |
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7 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56407 | ||
Your view of myself has no effect on how God loves me or thinks of me. Just because you picked up some book somewhere and you believe that you don't have to tithe, well you go ahead and believe your doctrine. For me to argue that tithing is ordained from God, would prove to be futile. For the last time, you stated that tithing is of the law, my statement to you was that Abraham was before the law, and he tithe, period. God bless |
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8 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56526 | ||
I did not expect you to believed what I belived what I want you to do is to depend what you believed in. If you believed that people belongs to the new testament required to tithe then you have to prove it. You can prove them by disprove my points I raised. You sais"Just because you picked up some book somewhere and you believe that you don't have to tithe, well you go ahead and believe your doctrine." How dare you saying this, the verses I quoted is verses in the bible and not from books somewhere else! For your information this is a bible forum! Your statement is a strong attack to the scriptures! If you cannot disprove the verses that I quoted dont say that it came from somewhere else, those are came from the bible, and you attacked them. "You said"For the last time, you stated that tithing is of the law, my statement to you was that Abraham was before the law, and he tithe, period." I am sorry, but i have to answer it again. I answer this before but you ignore it because you know you cannot disprove my answer! Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 17. Easton Torrey Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 18. Easton Torrey Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. No one required abraham to tithe but he gave because he want to no require amount, it apply offering. I did asked this to you before, where did abraham got the goods? He slaughter kings, Please answer this, do you think Christ will allow anyone of us if we kill somebody and took thier goods and gave tithes to God? I asked this question before! it is you who dont know to answer! God bless, Johnny |
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