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1 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55822 | ||
It is not my mind set on not giving the tithe, I am asking if giving of ten percent is teaching of Christ if Yes show me the scriptures, if no why you have to required anyone to give tithes and teach them that it is a requirements. If you believed that tithe is ordained by God until now show me the scriptures that Jesus taught it in the new testament. How could you encourage everyone if you cannot depend what you believed in. If you still believed that it can justify you, and what is the purposes of these verse anyway?: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. As I told you, if you can prove me that paul excluded tithe when he stated this verse. Now if the tithe is included in this verse, how can you prove me that tithe is a requirement until now. For your information receiving the tithe is not you authority or any pastors of our time it was given to levites: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Are you Jew? it is not surprising that many people try to pretend that son of levi by requiring thier people to give tithes which is the authority of receiving them was given to the levites. It is not given to you, nor to the pastors today, it is very clear that the authority was given to the levites. Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. Heb 7:11 ¶ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. "a change also of the law" but you dont want to change the tithe which is included in the law is clear disobedience to the teaching of the apotle! Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Now if you can prove to me that tithe is the teaching of Christ, show me my friend prove to me and to the members of this forum. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 55867 | ||
I see that you are still mind set on building a thread. It is quite obvious you are not a tither. I am. Now you want to take a stand and have me "prove" that tithe is the teaching of Christ, but not only to you, but now you want to include the members of this forum also! What you sow is what you reap, do you want to nickel and dime the Lord, and receive a nickel and dime blessing from your tithing! Once again, you stated that tithing was under the law of Moses, I'm saying Abraham was before Moses, and he tithe. Malachi 3:8-12, says will a man rob God? yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'(sound familiar),In tithes and offerings. and it goes on to mention the blessings that will come. Now a tithe is a tenth of all of your income before you spend any of it, it belongs to the Lord. Read Haggi 2:5-9. verse 8 says that the silver and gold belongs to the Lord. Leviticus 27:30, the tithe is holy Psalms 2:6-8, God gave everything to Jesus. All that is on the earth and in the earth, now this is a true saying, if we are to tithe to God, and God gave everything to Jesus, who are we tithing to! How does tithing prove you put God first? Tithing means that you give "the first" ten percent of your wealth, before you spend anything, you're obident to His principle. Time and space prevents me from posting all the principle of tithing. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. God bless and thanks for all of your replies, continue to be a blessing to others. |
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3 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 55939 | ||
Inmyheart, I dont know what you are trying to do here. You just ignore all the verses that I quoted and not disprove it. How can our discussion goes amothly if you dont try to disprove my point, I did answrs your questions. You, you did not try to disprove or prove to me that I misused the scriptures. Let remind you to the pints that I raise and you ignore, please try to answers my questions before putting yours, with all due respect when you asked me about abraham and how he tithe I answers those question to you. Now here is my points that I want you to answers. And please answers them with the passages in the new testament. I hope you know when I said teaching of Christ it is in the new testament. 1. Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. I will answers your question here. You quoted mal. 3:8-12 Please start it in 3:6 Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Mal 3:7 ¶ Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Are you a son of Jacob? are you a jew? if you are a jew and bound by the law of moses this verse is for you because they bound by law. You said"Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it." You are right! but in what way? by giving tithes? by not eating the pork NO! He observe it with a deep meaning. Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. He gave commandment to us, what is it in the law when you fulfill this two. If you think that Christ fulfil it by giving tithes and observe the sabbath you are terrible wrong. Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. Lu 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? He done work on sabbath, it was punishable by death under the law. Did he break the law? I hope you answers my question before ansking yours. God bless, Johnny |
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4 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56085 | ||
Johnny, Answer to your question 1, why would Jesus have to teach (tithe) what God has already establish! |
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5 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56223 | ||
See you cannot disporove my points I have many questions to ask then it seems that you cannot answers it. Next time when you engage in a didcussion make sure that you know how to answers questions before asking yours. Please disprove fisrt the qouoted verses of the other side before asking your questions. You give answers to my question "why would Jesus Christ have to teach the tithe what God already establish" but you forget to disprove that tithe is not including in the law of moses. Paul said it cannot justify us. You must prove that tithe is not including in the law of moses and other points that I raise. It show of your lack of idea how the discussion goes, you should disprove my point before asking your point. Until this time you did not disprove even one of points. You said"Answer to your question 1, why would Jesus have to teach (tithe) what God has already establish!" My answer: Your answer and questions again show that you are not aware of what you had answer to me. you did not make study to your question before asking it. If your reasoning that if God establish it, then Jesus need not to teach it, who establish the law? It is God. God establish the law through moses as a representative of the law: Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. God established the law why it has to change? Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. God establish the first covenant, why it has fault? Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. God established this law in the old testament... De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. and Jesus taught it again in the new testament! Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. So if your logic is when God established Jesus need not to teach and "tithe is established by God, Jesus need not to teach it! wrong, wrong, wrong!. God bless, Johnny Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. |
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6 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56239 | ||
Please read my second post to you. You still prove nothing. Tithing is of God. Some (like yourself) may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal? Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law--to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18, and fulfilling is the perfecting, not the destruction, of anything. hence the payment of tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. Right giving is a part of right living. The living is not right when the giving is wrong. The giving is wrong when we steal God's portion to spend on ourselves. God Bless |
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7 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56304 | ||
I did answer that to you Law is for God as well, I exaplain to that the law included in the tithe and you have to prove to me that tithe is not including in the law! God established the law trough moses but it has to change! Again you ignore my last post and my answer to your question. You keep jumping in what comment do you like. You said"Some (like yourself) may contend, however, that the law was abrogated under the Gospel. If so, how much of the law, and in what sense? Is the law so abrogated as that we may now, at our pleasure, murder, lie, and steal?" What kind of question is this? As I told you before Jesus Christ gave us the two commandments: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. On that two commandments hang all the law of the prophets. What is it in the law that you disobey when you observe that tow law that given by Jesus Christ? Are you going to murder if love you neighbour? Are you going to steal from them if you love them? Do you think, before asking this question? You said"Have we not already seen that Christ came to fulfill the law--to confirm it to the least iota? Matthew 5:17-18," My answer: I did explain this to you before that He fulfill the law with a deeply and different meaning. I ask you if He disobey the when He done work on sabbath, but you ignore it to answer. You said" tithes and offerings applicable to the support of the ministry, and to other religious and charitable works, is clearly the duty of Christians, unless it can be shown that Christ repealed God's law previously promulgated. offering yes! but tithe is not! can you show in the new testament that Christ taught that we have tithe to support His ministry? I know you again ignore this. If you are telling the truth that to support the ministry we have to tithe prove me that Paul require anyone to give tithe in his evangelical journey? show me in the scriptures that they collected tithe enable to support his evangelical works? I know again you will not answer this, but I try. My friends don’t rely own your words that support your statement with the scriptures. If you are telling the truth that enable to support the ministry we give tithe please show me any of the disciples that collecting tithes enable to support their mission? If you can show those verses and event, that will close this discussion, but if cannot show me those verses and events, it is true that you rely in your heresay. Please be reminded that you still not disprove my points! You did not put any verses that will show that Christ teach the tithe! Let remind you to the pints that I raise and you ignore, please try to answers my questions before putting yours, with all due respect when you asked me about abraham and how he tithe I answers those question to you. Now here is my points that I want you to answers. And please answers them with the passages in the new testament. I hope you know when I said teaching of Christ it is in the new testament. 1. Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. If you cannot show them please dont bother anymore! With all due respect you dont know how to deal with discussion, learn it first before you engage! God bless. Johnny |
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8 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56305 | ||
Well, it's about time, you finally got it! As I told you the first time I didn't want to creat an thread on this subject. Yes, I have learned to tithe. Now good night and God bless. |
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9 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56322 | ||
Yes I got it that you dont know how to handle discussion. You dont know how to disprove even one of my point raise. You even dont try to show me the verses that will disprove my point. It is you cannot answer my question, and rely in your heresay! You didn't want to create thread on the subject of tithe because you dont know how to depend what you believe in! You still have the chance to answer my questions if you want. please show me the verses that will disporove my points otherwise you will accepted that you dont know how to deal with discussion at the same time cannot disprove any quetion that I raise to you. If you notice I am active to answer your question verse by verse, it is you that jump if I did answer your questions you leave it and put your nonsense reasoning without bases: Here are the points that I want you to answers: . Prove to me that Jesus Christ has any single teaching that will require us to give ten percent of our income. 2. Please show me any of the apostle that require thier members to give ten percent of thier income. 3. When paul stated that law cannot justify us did he excluded then tithe. 4. Where in the new testament that we have to give tithes and not love offering. If you quoted in the old there is no question about that because they bound the law. 5. Please show me that tithe is not including in the law of prophet. Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 6. The authority to received tithe is given to the levites and when the change the law they exclude the tithes. Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Please answer those question before asking yours because I did answers your questions it is you ignore mine. 7. Why you did not observe the law of moses but you still require to give tithes, if the law cannot justify us what is it in the tithes that will exclude in the law of moses. Please to disprove them and answer them if you are really telling the truth and not rely in you nonsense heresay. You cannot tell me that I am discussing with you with my heresay to. I put verses to support it. Prove to me that you know how to depend what you believed! Please answer me if have the answer to those question I raise. I want an answer to those not a nonsense kind of answers! God bless, Johnny God bless! |
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10 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | inmyheart | 56407 | ||
Your view of myself has no effect on how God loves me or thinks of me. Just because you picked up some book somewhere and you believe that you don't have to tithe, well you go ahead and believe your doctrine. For me to argue that tithing is ordained from God, would prove to be futile. For the last time, you stated that tithing is of the law, my statement to you was that Abraham was before the law, and he tithe, period. God bless |
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11 | Is tithing just O.T. or N.T. as well? | Matt 23:23 | jlpangilinan | 56526 | ||
I did not expect you to believed what I belived what I want you to do is to depend what you believed in. If you believed that people belongs to the new testament required to tithe then you have to prove it. You can prove them by disprove my points I raised. You sais"Just because you picked up some book somewhere and you believe that you don't have to tithe, well you go ahead and believe your doctrine." How dare you saying this, the verses I quoted is verses in the bible and not from books somewhere else! For your information this is a bible forum! Your statement is a strong attack to the scriptures! If you cannot disprove the verses that I quoted dont say that it came from somewhere else, those are came from the bible, and you attacked them. "You said"For the last time, you stated that tithing is of the law, my statement to you was that Abraham was before the law, and he tithe, period." I am sorry, but i have to answer it again. I answer this before but you ignore it because you know you cannot disprove my answer! Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 17. Easton Torrey Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 18. Easton Torrey Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. No one required abraham to tithe but he gave because he want to no require amount, it apply offering. I did asked this to you before, where did abraham got the goods? He slaughter kings, Please answer this, do you think Christ will allow anyone of us if we kill somebody and took thier goods and gave tithes to God? I asked this question before! it is you who dont know to answer! God bless, Johnny |
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