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1 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207174 | ||
Hi Doc, You asked, “On what basis are we to judge that all of these men were in error?” You yourself, in a note to Jamison, dated July 8, 2008, warned of the practice of depending “on authorities external to the Scriptures,” and “doctrine without the authority of Scripture.” Are we to depend on “authorities external to the Scriptures” and “doctrine without the authority of Scripture” or not? Is it just authorities that agree with you that are acceptable? Jim |
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2 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | bowler | 207176 | ||
Jim Estes You were addressing Doc, but I would like to jump in, although I wouldn't presume to answer for Doc or anyone else.:-) When we consider Sola Scriptura there is a tendency to think in term of Scripture first and only Scripture should interpret Scripture. Your post here got me to thinking about this important doctrine and how we use it. I while ago there was another post, unrelated to this whole branch, in which it came up that there are different ways to go about getting an interpretation. Don't worry, I am coming back to your point with this. The discussion started one place and got off onto styles of interpretation. That post and this one got me, as I say thinking about how we use Sola Scriptura. The "Great Divines" as some like to call them, at least the ones some Christians pay attention to, sat down and studied according to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. They spent laborious amounts of time pouring over all the various aspects of Bible Study using exegesis. They came to the conclusions they came to about what scripture is saying to all of us by various methods of interpretation. Many of them agree about a great number of things. I have a theory for you without attempting to speak for anyone, including myself. When so many theologians have studied a topic, a passage, a book, a doctrine, and all come to the same conclusion, it is seen by a great many individuals picking up their works and reading them that they have hit upon the truth. Numbers of people believing the same thing does not make it true. However, there is only one true interpretation of any part of the Bible, there are not two, or three. "Authorities external to the Scriptures" they may be, but they may have studied these scriptures to a high degree that some of us are not capable of, or would not have the time for, and have all come to the same conclusion about the same thing. Now, all that was not in defense of anyone, or anything, but just a careful observation of these "Great Divines". I myself have found I disagree strongly with them, regardless of the numbers of them that have said, this, or that because in studying for myself and arriving at a different conclusion, I could not agree. And after talking to people outside of here, whose credentials I will not get into, they aslo did not agree. So, don't get me wrong, because I have, even in here, disagreed with the findings of the "Great Divines". You are not looking for sympathy, and I don't offer any. I do see your point. I aslo see that there is a different way to view what constitutes adherence to Sola Scriptura than to say that "authorities and doctrines" are acting or are having views outside the "authority of scripture". This is just my humble opinion and is not to put anybody down, or to act like it is my job to solve some apparent difference between two people, or to push my views on you. Just a worthless son. blessings abound, bowler |
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3 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Jim Estes | 207194 | ||
Hi bowler, Thank you for your thoughts about the “Great Divines.” I have no objection to the opinions of persons who have spent a considerable amount of their lives in study of scripture. However, having gained such insight into the scriptures, it should not be too difficult to explain how they arrived at their conclusions and what scriptures they base their conclusions on. How did they arrive at the conclusion that the “Rachab” of Matthew 1 is the same person as “Rahab, the harlot” of Joshua, Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25? How do they reconcile the timeline that makes it impossible for Rahab, the harlot, to be the mother of Boaz? How do they reconcile the blatant violation of God’s commands for which there is reward and no punishment, the difference in names, and that the Israelites were the chosen people and not the Gentiles? How are we to know if the things they say are true? It is our responsibility to “See to it that no one misleads you.” (Matt. 24:4) We cannot abrogate this responsibility to the “Great Divines” or anyone else. Jim |
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4 | How many generations betw Exodus-Solomon | Matt 1:17 | Hank | 207200 | ||
Hi, Jim :: It has been now some 59 years since I became a follower of Christ. How many times have I erred, and in what ways, during all those years? Let me count the times. Let me count the ways, as poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning phrased it in a sonnet of love, a tender ode to her husband, Robert Browning. But I cannot count the times. They have been too frequent and too many. I cannot count the ways. They have been too numerous. ...... I lay no claim to wisdom save that which God has graciously granted me in answer to prayer, but that wisdom has led me to the abiding and fervent conviction that it is foolishness to lean on my incomplete and faulty understanding and to assume that the Holy Spirit has granted me insights superior to the insignts He has granted to others who down through the centuries have sought after His truth and even those regenerate contemporaries who now seek His counsel. Therefore, does it not make a great deal of sense to entertain the notion that some of my conclusions, when they consistently conflict with men of God down through the ages, may be wrong -- and the probabilites are overwhelming that they are -- and that I earnestly need to look more at myself and my understanding than at them and theirs to disover wherein lies the error? Debate on an issue is worthless and bears no good fruit unless one first has thoroughly examined his position and compared it with others who may well be wiser, more enlightened, and better versed on the issue than one's self. --Hank | ||||||