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1 | How Holy Is Marriage? | Matt 16:6 | KcabmI4 | 213588 | ||
Hello always learning All Praise be to God. As I said to you in my first post to you There is an answer for you that will ease your mind because it is the answer to the source of the guilt that you are carrying. Num.14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. Ex.34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. I am adding this story for you about King David because it was spoken before to you. But it does not apply to you in the way it was spoken. Iam going to be using it to show you that the things are different than you are thinking they are. 2 Samuel 12 1--- And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. 2--- The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: 3--- But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. 4--- And there came a traveler unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. 5--- And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 6--- And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. 7--- And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8--- And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9--- Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. 10--- Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. 11--- Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12--- For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13--- And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, (The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.) 14--- Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. So this is being the story of King David and the sins he was committing. 1- Breaking of a commandment of God "Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife" This is also adultery in the heart according to Jesus. 2- Committing the actual physical sin of adultery with Bathsheba 3- Breaking another commandment by killing Uriah "Thou shall do no murder" Nathan was sent to David by God. From vs. 9 - 14 he tells David all the things that God was going to do. David finally repents vs.13 of the evil he has done It says God put away the sin and did not require Davids life. But that was not not clearing his guilt. Davids life did not just go back to the way things were before the sin. As some believe. There was going to be retribution for the sin. Violence against his house forever. His wives would be given to others in the sight of all. The child would die. That is "The sins of the parents being visited upon the children to the third and fourth generation." "OK" this is being the way that God was dealing with people. Iam having to be putting this into two posts so this is being the number 1 post |
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2 | How Holy Is Marriage? | Matt 16:6 | Val | 213595 | ||
Dear Kcam: In regards to your saying “It says God put away the sin and did not require Davids life. But that was not clearing his guilt.” Notice in Psalms 52 David was forgiven, his sin was covered, and in verse five “You forgave the guilt of my sin.” In Psalms 51 David was washed and made whiter than snow, verse seven. David is a most revered man in that God said of him that he was a man after God’s own heart. David’s son with Bathsheba was chosen to be King – Solomon. God made an everlasting covenant with David. Jesus is referred to as being in the lineage of David. The consequences of sin touched David’s family his remaining life but each man/women was held responsible for their choices and decisions. The verse you quote says in the NASB verse 7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." The YLT leaves out “the guilty”. I believe that makes a big difference. Sincerely, Val |
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3 | How Holy Is Marriage? | Matt 16:6 | KcabmI4 | 213613 | ||
Dear Val Maby you missed it in the (KJ) so Iam posting these from the (NASB) Iam also going to add some Brackets for you where I quoted thes verses. Num.14:18 (New American Standard Bible) 18- 'The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; :-(but He will by no means clear the guilty,)-: visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.' Exodus 34:7 (New American Standard Bible) 7- who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet :-(He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished,)-: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." You then go on to say .” Notice in Psalms 52 David was forgiven, his sin was covered, and in verse five “You forgave the guilt of my sin.” This scripture does not sound correct does it? Psalm 52:5 (New American Standard Bible) 5- But God will break you down forever;He will snatch you up and tear you away from your tent, And uproot you from the land of the living. Selah. That is ok I looked for the right one and found the one you really meant. But we are not knowing when Psalm 32 was written. It could be before or after the time in question. Psalm 32:5 5- I acknowledged my sin to You,And my iniquity I did not hide;I said, " I will confess my transgressions to the LORD";And You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah. You then come to Psalm 51 "In Psalms 51 David was washed and made whiter than snow, verse seven." Psalm 51 (New American Standard Bible) A Contrite Sinner's Prayer for Pardon. 7- Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. You should take the time and go back to the Psalm 51. You will then be seeing all the way from vs.1 to the last vs. are all the pleadings for mercy. Iam sure that God did forgive David. It says he would in Num.14:18 and 34:7. Your parigraph about David I do not dispute He is a most revered man He was a man after God’s own heart David’s son with Bathsheba was chosen to be King – Solomon God made an everlasting covenant with David. Jesus is referred to as being in the lineage of David. But these are also true David committed adultery with Bathsheba David murdered Uriah David's first son with Bathsheba died because of the (SINS of the FATHER) otherwise "HE" would have been the next King This is another covenant made by God with David. Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house I will take thy wives before thine eyes and give them unto thy neighbour and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. You are saying "The consequences of sin touched David’s family his remaining life." You are sure right with that statement according to the story we are discussing. "but each man/women was held responsible for their choices and decisions" Can you verify this statement with scripture? You finish with the quote I gave from Ex.34:7 But you add "The YLT leaves out “the guilty”. "I believe that makes a big difference." Exodus 34:7 (Young's Literal Translation) 7- keeping kindness for thousands, taking away iniquity, and transgression, and sin, and not entirely acquitting, charging iniquity of fathers on children, and on children's children, on a third [generation], and on a fourth.' Just the leaving out "the guilty" does not change the fact of who is paying for the sin "not the father." He is punished by having to watch everyone else pay for his sin. Iam sorry if the translation I used did not meat up to your standards. But guilt was used in the bible I used and there would not be anyone paying for sin if there was not anyone "GUILTY." But that is ok with me . Go ahead and leave out GUILT. It took you 3 different bibles to get there. Tell me is the (YLT) your bible of prefferance? Or is it just the one you use when all else fails? Sincerely, KcabmI4 |
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4 | Transgressions | Matt 16:6 | fcs375 | 213614 | ||
Since Christ died for our transgressions, do you believe that today the penalty of our fathers sins ar passed down to the next generations? | ||||||
5 | Transgressions | Matt 16:6 | srbaegon | 213621 | ||
Hello fcs375, The penalty of sin is not passed down from one generation to another. Consider Ezek 18:19-20 Yet you say, "Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?" When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. Read all of Ezekiel 18 for context. Guilt and penalty are not passed on but consequences can be. Steve |
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6 | Transgressions | Matt 16:6 | fcs375 | 213642 | ||
Thank you for that passage. | ||||||