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1 | EIS_ retrospective or prospective? | Matt 12:41 | disciplerami | 78400 | ||
I have read from many Greek Scholars that the word translated in this verse "at", which is the Greek preposition EIS, is always prospective. But some say that the usage of the word in this verse is retrospective/causal and represents an exception to the rule. My question is this: Does this verse say Nineveh repented BECAUSE of the preaching of Jonah (retrospective use of EIS), or does this verse say Nineveh repented INTO/TOWARD the preaching of Jonah [i.e. moving their lives toward the pattern outlined in Jonah's preaching]? Help me out please. Disciplerami |
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2 | EIS_ retrospective or prospective? | Matt 12:41 | disciplerami | 78485 | ||
Greetings, Concerning the Matthew 12:41 statement that the people of Nineveh "repented at the preaching of Jonah." The proper understanding is that the people heard the message from Jonah and repented toward the direction of the message: hence, they repented at/unto the preaching of Jonah. This verse is often used to show that EIS in Acts 2:38 can be translated 'because'. They want to move forgiveness of sins ahead of baptism. But the preposition EIS does not permit it. EIS - is a preposition of the accusative case and points toward the direct object which receives the action of the nearest verb. True to form in both Matthew 12:41 and Acts 2:38 'EIS the preaching', accusative, direct object. 'EIS the forgiveness', accusative, direct object. The expected result of repentence was alignment with, or into, the message of Jonah. In Acts 2:38, the expected result of repentance and water baptism was forgiveness of sins. Disciplerami |
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3 | EIS_ retrospective or prospective? | Matt 12:41 | Searcher56 | 78492 | ||
Acts 2:38 posts already have discussed the Greek ... don't camp on the eis. | ||||||
4 | EIS_ retrospective or prospective? | Matt 12:41 | disciplerami | 78544 | ||
Dear Search, I'm against camping. Your comments on this thread have been very good and much appreciated. But I would like to see others weigh in. Do you have anything else to add to this thread? If you've not read the original post, the preposition EIS is used in the accusative case, and 'the preaching' of Jonah is accusative singular. What is the significance of that? The accusative/direct object [i.e. THE PREACHING OF JONAH] receives the action of the nearest verb, which is 'REPENTED' (verb, 3rd plural, aorist, indicative, active). Therefore, the Ninevites repented INTO the preaching of Jonah. This is similar language Galatians 3:27, "into Christ are YE baptized." Your thoughts please. Mt.12:41 deserves a fair treatment, don't you? Mt.12:41 is bantered about as evidence against EIS being prospective in Acts 2:38 and I want to see that it is treated fairly. Again I invite you or others to add to the discussion here. I would appreciate it. Be not afraid. Disciplerami |
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5 | EIS_ retrospective or prospective? | Matt 12:41 | Morant61 | 78603 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! The fact that 'at the preaching of Jonah' is in the accusative case isn't very significant in this sense, 'eis' is used over 1,700 times and always occurs in the accusative case. :-) Since you deny that 'eis' can ever mean 'because of', how do you handle Mt. 3:11 (KJV): "I indeed baptize you with water unto (eis) repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" Did John baptize people that they might repent, or did he baptize people because they had repented? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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