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1 | Thanks but.... | Matt 12:32 | ngkh | 143824 | ||
Thank you for the sharing. Now Hank wrote that there has to be a "deliberate" for this sin because they knew about it and yet still talk against it while you felt that anyone who profess to have received salvation but rejects the Holy Spirit is guilty of this sin even though they may not have talked against it. My bro-in-law for e.g. a far longer and strong christian I believe with great faiths. The only thing that bugged me is when we talk about a charismatic church I am in, he does not or rather his church does not believe in speaking of the tongues as according to him the event happened only on the day of Pantecost. He did not condemn it either. When he once visited my church, he told me that I am in the right church. I don't know what his church preaches but I am concerned that he may be on the wrong footing which may lead him to commit an 'unpardonable sin' (no way back.) without realising it. Also like him, we also have thousands of believers who may not believe in the Holy Spirit worldwide. Does it mean that they are condemned for not believing in the Holy Spirit? And how would we minister this? I thought the Holy Spirit is sort of automatic as you walk with the Lord - (baptism of the holy spirit.) because of ones belief and faith. Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Why would one believes in Christ and yet do not believe in the Holy Spirit? Again, if one who is not for the Holy Spirit will he also be against Christ? |
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2 | Thanks but.... | Matt 12:32 | Searcher56 | 143828 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 12:22-37, 28:19; Jhn 16:8-10; Act 2:38, 10:47 16:31; 1Co 6:19, 12:13; Eph 2:18-19 ... ngkh, greetings, Read the context of this verse (Mat 12:22-37). When we are saved we have the Holy Spirit (Act 2:38, 10:47; 1Co 6:19, 12:13; Eph 2:18-19) ... it is automatic. There is no subsequent part. Acts 16:31 and other passages tell us to believe in the Lord Jesus. Where are we told to believe in the Holy Spirit ... He convicts us (Jhn 16:8-10) and well as other things (read rest of this section in John). He is mentioned with the Father and Son (Mat 28:19). Searcher |
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3 | Thanks but.... | Matt 12:32 | Out of the miry clay | 143833 | ||
Hello, searcher. I agree with you that receiving the Holy Spirit is "automatic" when we are saved. You made an excellent reference to John 16, which describes the work of the Holy Spirit. Some people think of the Holy Spirit only in terms of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but we should emphasize the person of the Holy Spirit. As to whether there is a "subsequent part," please consider John 20:22 and Acts 1-2. In John 20:22, on the day the empty tomb was discovered, Jesus breathed on the disciples, saying, "Receive the Holy Spirit." They believed in Jesus as the Messiah and were saved. However, on another, later occasion, He told them that they would soon be "baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5). When the disciples were baptized with the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, there was a supernatural manifestation of the power of the Holy Spirit that was apparent to all who observed. I think that you would agree that this type of manifestation does not always occur when a person receives the Holy Spirit at salvation. I think that the source of ngkh's concern is whether a person, like his brother-in-law, who does not believe in the manifestion of the power of the Holy Spirit as observable gifts is in danger of committing the unpardonable sin. Jesus did not say that failure to believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit was the unpardonable sin, but that the unpardonable sin was _blaspheming_, or speaking against, the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32). From ngkh's description of his attitude, it appears that his brother-in-law respects both the person and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I would think that he would not be in danger of committing the unpardonable sin. I agree with others that committing the unpardonable sin is deliberate and reflects an unchangeable hardness of heart toward the truth of God and the salvation He has provided for us through Jesus. I would add that the Holy Spirit's role in this process is crucial and ought not to be denigrated whether the Holy Spirit's work is quiet and apparent only to the individual believer or whether it is so obvious that those affected appear to be drunk as in Acts 2:13-15. |
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4 | Thanks but.... | Matt 12:32 | Searcher56 | 143865 | ||
I don't think they received the Spirit in John 20:22 - Read post 143864 |
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