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1 | Why do catholic call Mary mother of God. | Amos 1:1 | Emmaus | 69829 | ||
Joe, When we are speaking of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist we are dealing with one of the highest mysteries of the Faith. One I do not feel completely adequate to address in depth. I like what the author of The Imitation of Christ had to say on the subject in his last chapter where he warned against "useless and curious searching into this profound Sacrament." That being said I want to address one issue you brought up and let another author address it at least in part, perhaps in way suprising to you. "I hold to the Real Presence of the body and blood of Christ in the Supper (which is also clearly presented in 1 Corinthians 10 as well, and at least has some connection to Jesus' statements at the end of John 6 as well). However, I disagree that Jesus Christ is physically and locally in place of, in, with, or under the substance of the elements."... Joe! You make a very important point here. Look carefully at Catholic doctrinal statements on the Real Presence, including transubstantiation and you will notice that the word "physical" is scrupulosly avoided and absent. The terms used for the Presence are always "substanially" and "sacramentally," but never physically. Here is a little of what Thomas Merton had say on this subject in his book The Living Bread: "Here we must empahsize the distinction made by the Church between Chrsit's natural presence and His presence in the Sacrament. Both presences are real, and both are equally real, but nevertheless only the former is a strictly "local" presence. For only in His quantatative dimensions is the Body of Christ directly localized--and this direct localization is realized in heaven, but not on our altars, where He is present indirectly localized by the quantitative dimensions of the Host. These dimensions are not His own, and he is therefore not in immediate physical contact with His material surroundings. His contact with us is spititual and mystical. "The presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament is therefore not a local presence. He becomes present in the Host not by any change in Himself but by a change which He effects, by divine power, in the bread, converting its substance into His own Body. Transubstantiation is in no sense a "production" of the Body of Christ or a local "adduction" of His Fleash. This is not so hard to conceive if we remember He did the same thing at the Last Supper. Nothing happened to His own Person when He pronounced the words which changed bread into His Body. He remained locally present at the head of the supper table and became sacramentally present in the bread which He had changed, by transubstantiation, into Himself, and which was eaten by His disciples." The Living Bread by Thomas Merton Farrar, Straus, Girroux, N.Y. 1956 p. 61-62 Still in print I think you might aprreciate this book. I think from now on I would like to stick to more mundane bible questions. Are you teaching techniques for Spanish as challanging as your forum style? They must hate you now, but the survivors prbably love you later if they gain proficiency. Emmaus |
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2 | Why do catholic call Mary mother of God. | Amos 1:1 | Reformer Joe | 69952 | ||
By the way, here is an interesting link dealing with a significant ninth-century debate over the Eucharist: http://www.markers.com/ink/srratramnus.htm --Joe! |
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