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1 | What does "saw" mean? | Ex 24:10 | Talmid of Yeshua Ha Maschiach | 191751 | ||
Hi there, I did a bit of study on this question of yours and pulled up my Hebrew Old Testament (Tanach) on E-Sword and I found an interesting usage of words. It would seem that they saw Jesus (Yeshua) not actually the LORD (ADONAI). I come to this conclusion because of one simple character that comes before the character for Elohim. "ayth" is literally entity, a corporeal being. So, I am persuaded that they saw Yeshua, God in the flesh, which is not a sin and therefore Moshe could still ask to see the face of YHWH, because he had not previously seen it. As John Gill has written, "And they saw the God of Israel,.... The Targum of Jonathan restrains this to Nadab and Abihu whereas it is doubtless true of Moses and Aaron, and the seventy elders, who all saw him, and who were witnesses to the people that it was a divine Person that spoke to Moses, and delivered the laws unto him, to be observed by them; which seems to be the reason of their being called up, and favoured with this sight which must not be understood as of anything criminal in them, as if they curiously looked and pried to see something they should not, for which they deserved some sort of punishment, as the Targum intimates; but of a privilege, and a very high one they were favoured with: and this sight they had was not by a vision of prophecy, or with the eyes of their understanding, but corporeally; they saw the Son of God, the God of Israel, in an human form, as a pledge and presage of his future incarnation, who is the Angel that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, as Stephen says, and the Lord that was among the angels there, who afterwards became incarnate, and having done his work on earth, ascended on high, Acts 7:38." May ADONAI bless you in your studies, Talmid (Num 6:24-26) |
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2 | What does "saw" mean? | Ex 24:10 | rabban | 191756 | ||
I am not convinced that ayth before a noun means that it refers to a corporeal being. There is no hint of it in any of my ancient Hebrew lexicons or ancient Hebrew grammars. In ancient Hebrew ayth simply points to a definite object, whether corporeal or not. Perhaps you could cite your authority for the statement that it always refers to a corporeal Being from a RECENT authoritative and recognised scholarly source. I would be very interested to know of it. (I am not talking about modern Hebrew usage which is irrelevant for ancient Hebrew) 'Seeing God' can cover a number of situations Abraham saw, ate and chatted with God in Genesis 18. Jacob actually wrestled with God in person (Gen 32). In both cases God had taken to Himself a human body. In neither case is there any reason for suggesting that it was with the Son of God. There is no reason to think that before He became man the Son was in any way more viewable or approachable than the Father. It is purely supposition on our part. Moses saw God in a burning bush. The Israelites saw God in the pillar of fire at nights. The whole people saw God when 'the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyse of the children of Israel' (Exodus 24.17). But note references to the cloud. Some saw God as the Angel of the LORD (Gen 16; 21; etc). The Angel of the LORD is a manifesation of the LORD. We are not told anything else. Why should He necessarily be the Son? (It is not strictly correct to speak of 'Jesus - Joshua' before the incarnation. 'Jesus' was 'God made man'). Thus 'seeing' the God of Israel was not something new. And in my Bible there is no mention of a corporeal form, any more than there was in the vision of Isaiah 6. The reference to 'under His feet as it were --' may simply indicate 'below whatever they did see of Him'. There are no grounds for necessarily taking literally references to God's arms, hands or feet. They are regularly metaphors. He may have taken on a human form but it does not say so. They may simply have seen 'the appearance of fire' But what none of them had apparently seen was 'His glory' (Exodus 33.18). That was always veiled, either by a human form or by a cloud and smoke, or by some other means (God reveals as much of Himself as He wishes). Clearly we are intended to see that this manifestation to Moses in chapter 33 was like no other. Of course seeing God is never a sin. It is God who chooses whether we see Him or not. It is just that seeing God is so everwhelming that in the fullnes of His glory no human flesh could stand the sight. Dwelling in light which no man can approach to, Whom no man has seen, nor can see' (1 Timothy 6.16). And this applies to both Father and Son in the fullness of their glory. |
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3 | What does "saw" mean? | Ex 24:10 | Talmid of Yeshua Ha Maschiach | 191759 | ||
I am sorry, let me clarify what I meant. I believe that in this case, "ayth" means a tangible, physical, or material body or manifestation of God. Here is what Strong's Hebrew Dictionary says. H853 ayth Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly self (but generally used to point out more definitely the object of a verb or preposition, even or namely): - (As such unrepresented in English.) I realise that not in every case is it a living being. However, it related to Elohim in this case and as Elohim is Life, I thought it appropriate. I am only 18 years old and have much to learn, however, I believe the best way for me to grow and mature as a follower of Yeshua, is to spend time in His Word and with fellow believers (As iron sharpens iron). May ADONAI bless you in your studies, Talmid (Num 6:24-26) |
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4 | What does "saw" mean? | Ex 24:10 | don lyles | 191761 | ||
Thank you for your time and thoughts. I will spend some time contemplating your words. For 18 you are ahead of me and I am more than 3x your age. | ||||||
5 | What does "saw" mean? | Ex 24:10 | azurelaw | 191764 | ||
Dear don, A hearty warm welcome to the forum. We all are learning endlessly regardless of age, race, education, etc. To quote an old saying : it is better to be late than never. May you be blessed with God's words and enjoy the forum. Psalm 10:17 O LORD, You have heard the desire of the humble; You will strengthen their heart, You will incline Your ear Psalm 25:9 He leads the humble in justice, And He teaches the humble His way. Shalom Azure |
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