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1 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | Sir Pent | 16353 | ||
Dear EdB, I would like to take this opportunity to agree with almost your entire last post. You said that God established life and death. I say that I totally agree. You said that God said not to murder, but supported (in the OT) execution sometimes. I say that I totally agree (with parenthesis added). You said that Jesus died to cleanse us of the eternal consequences of sin. I say that I totally agree. You said that Jesus forgiveness does not cancel out earthly consequences of sin. I say that I totally agree. You said that the Matthew 26:52 (below) is only saying that if you kill you will be killed, not that it is wrong. I say that on this one point I would have to disagree with you. If we look at the context of the verses around it, Jesus does say that if the disciple lives by the sword he will die by the sword. However, He also says to put the sword away, and that using the sword indicates a lack of faith in God the Father's ability to protect. Also if you read the parallel passage in Luke (also below), Jesus tells the disciples to not use their swords anymore, and heals the damage done by the first strike. This also indicates that He did not approve of that action. Matthew chapter 26 51: And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. 52: Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53: Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? Luke chapter 22 49: And when those who were about him saw what would follow, they said, "Lord, shall we strike with the sword?" 50: And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51: But Jesus said, "No more of this!" And he touched his ear and healed him. |
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2 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | EdB | 16363 | ||
Sir Pent As to Matthew 26 and Luke 22, there are many reasons Jesus may have reacted the way He did. Three of the most probably are: One He didn’t want any of his disciples jailed or executed. Two Just as he didn’t call angels to defend Him he didn’t want His disciples to intervene, knowing He had to follow God’s will. Three Jesus had compassion on the servant and healed him. Let me ask you some questions, why does a person carry a sword? Do you think Jesus didn’t know his disciples were armed. Did he ever instruct them to lay down their swords other than the time he sent them out in ministry? While it is true we never see the disciples defend themselves when it comes to assaults brought on by their teaching/belief, we do have some indication that Paul defended himself when set upon by robbers (the fact he was alive). No where in the new Testament did Jesus condemn soldiers, prosecutors, or executors. Paul tells us to support our government, that it was God ordained. In fact he tells us to do so would preserve our lives. Where do you think the prohibition against execution is found in the Bible. And why do you think that passage only applies to executions and not to other forms of punishment? I really believe your whole argument is based on your exalted view of human life. God established the sanctity of life and God also established the parameters by which it is to be forfeited. You also expressed in a earlier response that by taking a life we may prevent that person from accepting salvation in Jesus. Isn’t that really limiting God? Aren’t you saying God must helplessly watched us execute someone that would have accepted Jesus if we had allowed him to live another minute, hour, week, month, year, lifetime. |
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3 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | Norrie | 16504 | ||
Ed, in regards to the argument about the law in the OT, what about these passages: Matthew 5 Christ Fulfills the Law 17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. If He is not destroying the law, wouldn't that mean the law is still in effect? |
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