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1 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | RJJ | 83038 | ||
Whilst looking at Scripture concerning "healing" I came to this verse, when read in context it would seem to refer to the "healing" of the separation between man and God. Yet I have heard that same portion of scripture used to support teaching regarding the healing of the human body. Is my reading of this scripture correct or incorrect, please support your answer. RJJ |
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2 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | Hank | 83045 | ||
RJJ: Though Isaiah 53:5 has been interpreted to mean physical, bodily healing, I believe yours is the proper exegesis. Contextually, the passage points strongly to spiritual healing. Even within the verse itself immediately preceding the "stripes we are healed" clause, Isaiah speaks of the suffering servant as being "wounded for our transgressions" and "bruised for our iniquities." Obviously transgressions and iniquities are in reference to something other than physical bodies. Then in the wake of the "stripes we are healed" clause comes (v.6) further reference to iniquity, the "iniquity of us all" that the Lord laid on Him. .... Moreover, Peter, picks up the "stripes we are healed" theme, quoting the very words of Isaiah, ascribing to them an incontrovertibly spiritual meaning: "(Christ) Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness -- by whose stripes you were healed. When one juxtaposes the "stripes you are healed" passage of Isaiah with Peter's treatment of it in his epistle, and views them both in context, one is hard pressed to exegete anything other than that spiritual healing is what both writers have in mind ..... Personal Note: Whilst? Am I even remotely justified in my hunch that you are possibly a British sibling in Christ, or perhaps Australian? --Hank | ||||||
3 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | RJJ | 83493 | ||
Hello my fellow brother in CHRIST, Many thanks Hank for your "straight" answer. So why, in your opinion, do "healers" use this scripture, is it to support the teaching that the unheald have to "live as though they have been healed and to have faith while wait for it to manifest in real1ity"? Persoal note:-"hunch" is Hank a "Yank"? |
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4 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | Hank | 83898 | ||
RJJ, the fakers and charlatans who pretend to be "faith healers" have long sought to extract from their contexts isolated verses that even remotely touch on healing in order to try to give scriptural sanction to their spurious tactics, as, for that matter, so do wolves of other stripes who present themselves to a gullible public as innocent sheep. As for Hank being a Yank, well no, I can't claim that distinction, being very much a Southerner, sir. My paternal ancestor, Grand-papa George, was a colonel in the Civil War who wore a gray uniform and served under General Robert E. Lee. The Confederates won, of course! :-) --Hank | ||||||
5 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | RJJ | 84310 | ||
Hello Hank, Did not mean to insult you Sir, and reading your answer to my question, I'm sure glad that the war is over. From your answer am I to understand that you have strong views on the whole healing issue?, while agreeing with you in everything you said have you got any views that support the doctrine of healing that is evident in the scriptures. ie 2 Cor ch12 v4-7 and the evedenctial use of these being used in the early church as in 1 Tim ch4 v14. My father was nick named "Stonewall", up the REBS!!! |
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6 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | Hank | 84314 | ||
RJJ, absolutely there is abundant NT evidence that Jesus empowered His disciples with supernatural powers which included healing. But this is a far cry from the circus side-show "healing crusades" that are staged by the likes of Benny Hinn and others of a kindred feather. I believe that God heals today in answer to prayer, in accordance with His will and purpose, but that He does grant to his people today the same supernatural empowerment that Christ granted to His disciples during the apostolic age of the church. .... Your father nicknamed "Stonewall" eh? I hope he, like my father, saved his Confederate dollars. Just in case.... :-) --Hank | ||||||
7 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | Asis | 84703 | ||
Hank are you saying that Jesus' instructions to the disciples (and I think I am included) were not for now but only for the short time that the 12 were alive. Mark 16:15-18 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. [17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. [KJV] It seems to me that the "they" are the "them that believe". If it is "them that believe" then that is us. Are you saying that Jesus didn't mean what he said? Or are "them that believe" only the 12. Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [KJV] In verse 4 the word "grief" is sickness, maladay, calamity according to Strong. In Isaiah 1:5 the Hebrew word choliy (the same word translated grief in 53;4), is translated "sickness", also in Isaih 38:9. I guess I'm not following your connection that the word translated grief, which means sickness, is about spiritual healing and not physical, and that God does not heal today like He healed in the days the 12 were alive. The reason for my confusion is that God touched me after my last heart attack and healed my heart. I admit that Benny Hin was not in the room at the time and I was not dressed all in white, but the same God was in my room that was in the arena with Benny Hinn when my wife was touched by God. I have experienced the work of the Holy Spirit as outlined in 1 Corinthians 12:9. Could you explain your exegesis. Brother Jeff |
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8 | Please, a straight answer!!! | Is 53:5 | Hank | 84779 | ||
Jeff: Signs, miracles, and wonders were often done by the Holy Spirit through the apostles and their close associates to authenticate them as messengers of God's truth. (Acts 2:19; 4:20; 5:12; 14:3; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12). By a variety of miracles, wonders, and signs God validated Jesus as the Messiah (Acts 2:22; Matt. 11:1-6; Luke 7:20-23; John 3:2; 5:17-20; 8:28; Phil. 2:9). God still heals today according to His will through prayer, directly, but Scripture does not support the teaching that God heals or performs "miracles, signs and wonders" instrumentally through human agents today in the manner of the apostles at the beginning of the church age. Even in apostolic times the ability to perform miracles was limited to the apostles and their close associates. (See 2 Cor. 12:12; Heb. 2:1-4). Jesus' miracles as well as His apostles' were God's divine confirmation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, His Son. (John 10:38; Rom. 15:19; 1 Cor. 14:22). The authentication of the message was the purpose of these miraculous deeds. Today we have the written authentication of the message of the gospel of Christ in God's word, the Bible. (Heb. 1:2; 2 Tim. 3:16). "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name." (John 20:31). ..... By the way, the Isaiah 53 passage is speaking of spiritual healing. --Hank | ||||||