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1 | Lucifer, Satan, Devil? | Is 14:12 | kalos | 126865 | ||
"Some Christians have seen an allusion to the fall of Satan here, but this seems contextually unwarranted." [In this Note I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. I merely offer additional information on the subject. --kalos] Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn![22] You've been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations! Isa. 14:12 New English Translation (NET) 'Study Note 22. What is the background for the imagery in vv. 12-15? This whole section (vv. 4b-21) is directed to the king of Babylon, who is clearly depicted as a human ruler. Other kings of the earth address him in vv. 9ff., he is called "the man" in v. 16, and, according to vv. 19-20, he possesses a physical body. Nevertheless the language of vv. 12-15 has led some to see a dual referent in the taunt song. These verses, which appear to be spoken by other pagan kings to a pagan king (cf. vv. 9-11), contain several titles and motifs that resemble those of Canaanite mythology, including references to Helel son of Shachar, the stars of El, the mountain of assembly, the recesses of Zaphon, and the divine title Most High. Apparently these verses allude to a mythological story about a minor god (Helel son of Shachar) who tried to take over Zaphon, the mountain of the gods. His attempted coup failed and he was hurled down to the underworld. The king of Babylon is taunted for having similar unrealized delusions of grandeur. Some Christians have seen an allusion to the fall of Satan here, but this seems contextually unwarranted (see J. Martin, BKCOT, 1061)' (www.netbible.com). |
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2 | Lucifer, Satan, Devil? | Is 14:12 | Ancient | 126870 | ||
I have to concur on this study note you have posted. This is what my findings, external from commentaries, have also concluded. I have concluded the same for Ezekiel 28. Neither of these passages (Isaiah 14 or Ezekiel 28) commonly used to reference the fall of Satan is contextually sound to the proposed theory as far as I see. As this commentary you quoted states, Isaiah is clearly talking about a man. Further, to support it better, we should take note that according to the theory of the fall, which suggests that Satan fell before the creation of man, this Isaiah passage is inconsistent with the teaching. When this fallen king went down into Sheol, those already dead and abiding there, including kings of nations, wondered over him. There shouldn't be any dead in Sheol if this is talking about a fallen angel being cast into Hell from the foundation of the world. This person also has a grave, from which he is rejected that his bones might be trampled and discarded like a useless shirt pierced by the sword. Similarly, the Ezekiel passage describes this person or being as having been perfect in his ways until the day iniquity was found in him. John, on the other hand, tells us that Satan sinned from the beginning. Also, the sin of Ezekiel's king of Tyrus is worded thus, "because of the multitude of your merchandise, and the iniquity of your traffick." In some of the minor prophets (Daniel - Malachi), you will find other apocalyptic literature regarding Tyre/Tyrus. In one of them, the activities of the Tyrians is consistent with the identified sin in Ezekiel. God declares judgment on Tyre for, among other things, selling Hebrews into slavery to the Greeks. This, I find, is consistent with the identified sin "iniquity of your traffick," which is "trade." Thanks for the input brother. Ancient |
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3 | Lucifer, Satan, Devil? | Is 14:12 | kalos | 126878 | ||
Ancient: Thank you for the additional details and your excellent insights. Grace to you, kalos |
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