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1 | where do animals go when they expire? | Eccl 3:21 | rabban | 191553 | ||
Hi RC Thank you for your more detailed explanation. I cannot see how when the animals were made comes into the reckoning. Sin affected the whole creation. That is why it groans. I am pleased that you think dogs means Samaritans. At least you will not take the over-literalist line. (Although I would have thought Gentiles more likely than Samaritans) But I do not believe that Samaritans will all be excluded. It might be intended to be an expression covering all the sinners that are then described. But I actually do think that it is referring to dogs. The packs of dogs that roamed the streets of cities could be a nuisance and a curse (except when they licked your sores). Thus the point is that all that is a nuisance and a curse will be outside the city. I had an idea that the horses might come up. Do you really think that Jesus will come on a horse? Has it not struck you that John is writing in terms of the transport of that day. I do not think he would have spoken of a warhorse today. I must admit that I am not expecting Jesus to come on a horse. Elijah saw horses and chariots. I can't help feeling that if he had been alive today he would have seen tanks and armoured cars manned by angels. However it is not relevant. Heavenly horses would not come from earth. I do not agree with your interpretation of the 100 year old child, but we will leave that at present as it is not relevant. I also agree that the 'heavenly' (new heaven and new earth) state is in mind. But if there are animals there, and it is not just a picture of serenity and security, then there is no reason why they should include our pets. That was hardly in Isaiah's mind. So you want literal animals because it suits your case, but not literal dogs because it suits mine? Hmmmm.:-))) Well that is fine. But as you have heavenly horses, why not heavenly animals? Yes it is God's word. So we have to find out what He is saying and not what we would like Him to say. I would like to be able to prove that pets go to Heaven. It would sometimes be very useful pastorally. The trouble is that I cannot find it in Scripture. I intend to drop this subject now as I hope my position is clear. I do not want this to become a dispute. After all, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. In the end each of us must decide what the Scripure says for ourselves. (That is a good reformation principle :-))) ) In Him |
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2 | where do animals go when they expire? | Eccl 3:21 | lionheart | 191560 | ||
rabban, With 2 Timothy 2:15 and 2 Peter 1:20,21 in mind where does it say or has ever said that we decide what scripture says? In Him, lionheart |
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3 | where do animals go when they expire? | Eccl 3:21 | rabban | 191561 | ||
'We have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God' (1 Corinthians 2.12). 'He who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged of no man' (2 Corinthians 2.15). 'We have the mind of Christ' (2 Corinthians 2.16). These are but three Scriptures which make clear that through the Holy Spirit we receive God's direct illumination. Who are you going to make the arbiter of truth? A failing church which has distorted God's truth through the centuries? And which part of the church? Are we to look to Apollos? or Paul? or Peter? (1 Corinthians 1.12). Whose interpretation are we to follow? It was because we must look to the Holy Spirit to illuminate our own minds that 1 Corinthians 2 was written. Of course we seek the help of those who understand the Scriptures, (who all to some extent disagree), and learn from them, but each of us is in the end responsible for our own souls, and through the Holy Spirit, are responsible for our own understanding of Scripture. 2 Peter 1.20-21 is talking about the fact that what the prophets spoke was not 'privately interpreted' by them but was given to them by the Holy Spirit with the consequence that we can know it is the truth. We also then receive it through the illumination of the Holy Spirit Who interprets it to our hearts. 2 Timothy 2.15 says precisely that we are to rightly handle the word of truth, not leave someone else to handle it for us. We are in other words with the help of the Holy Spirit to ensure that we take it in context and not give it a meaning other than it has. And then pass it on in the same form. 'Your word (not the church) is a light to my way, and a lamp to my path' (Psalm 119.105). And in the end even the most ardent believer in the authority of the church interprets what he/she is taught in his own mind. It is the way in which we receive understanding. There is no other way. In Him |
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4 | where do animals go when they expire? | Eccl 3:21 | skccab | 191564 | ||
Thank you, Rabban, at some point in time, concerning all scripture, each person must make a decision on its "face-value" and deeper meanings. Letting Scripture interpret Scripture is all very good and well, and to be sought - but the human mind must be exercised somewhere in that process. Cheri |
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5 | where do animals go when they expire? | Eccl 3:21 | lionheart | 191565 | ||
Cheri, Yes the mind must be exercised as you say. But scripture must be allowed to interpret scripture no matter how any of us cuts it. Without this guiding principle all bets are off. 2 Timothy 2:15, 2 Peter 1:20,21. In Him, lionheart |
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