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1 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | ominous | 153787 | ||
thanx, you are right about that, the new and old testaments don't contradict each other, not only regarding clean and unclean animals, on anything!as god cannot contradict himself. some times there are misunderstandings because of translation problems. example; exodus 20:13, thou shalt not kill; then dueteronomy 19:21,life for life,eye for eye; the original word in hebrew translated as "kill" in english, is murder. as in premeditated. you don't just take everything at face value, i like that! if you really want the truth you sometimes have to dig, and most people don't want to do that! but in genesis 3:19 god said, in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread. | ||||||
2 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | swerv | 155012 | ||
Glad to here that. I believe clean and unclean is ignored by the Church today. But there is really no good reason for it. Health and science is proving the diet of God to be correct and best for our health. Please let me know what you think of the Sabbath issue - as far as it being Saturday or Sunday or does it really matter. I believe the 10 commandments were wrote on stone for a very good reason. They were meant to show they are permanent. Actually I believe the 10 commandment moral principles have existed since creation until our modern era. If God made the 7th day to be Holy - why would it be changed. All the best, Swerv |
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3 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | DocTrinsograce | 155014 | ||
Merv... will you -- can you -- please try to write about something other than SDA doctrine? | ||||||
4 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | swerv | 155016 | ||
Doc: I respect you have a different set of Christian beliefs. If you want to discuss the differences and show me where there is biblical support for eternal Hell (place of torment to non-believers), or support for an immediate immortal soul upon death (either in Hell or Heaven), or support for the 1st day being made Holy, or support for a 7 year tribulation period, or support or eating unclean meat -------- then I will be happy to discuss them sharing clear and concise biblical verse to support my understanding of truth in these areas. If you wish not too then I would advise you to respond to other comments or questions. Look forward to honest discussion or I wish you all the best and pray you have confidence in you understanding of truth, Swerv |
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5 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | DocTrinsograce | 155018 | ||
Happily... Let's do it on a forum intended for such a purpose, okay? Truly, there are many of them! This forum, however, is not the place. Since you have a profile on this forum, that is what you agreed to do. Consequently, such behavior makes statements like those in your last post unctuous at best. | ||||||
6 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | swerv | 155020 | ||
Doc: I am sorry you feel this way ! I am only responding to your comments. You need not respond anymore then you have no problem. Maybe you should focus on your goals for what you want to attain from this forum and not worry about other people. You seem to be going out of your way to cause a conflict by acting as the police of this forum. You have no right to judge my intentions or my beliefs. You have the right to discuss your understanding of truth in a resopectful and mature way. I wish to discuss the biblical issues and strive to see the truth clearly. Again, if you wish to discuss the bible then I look forward to your comments or questions. Sincerely, Swerv |
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7 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | DocTrinsograce | 155023 | ||
Dear Merv, This is not about feelings. It is about the policies of the forum. The ones to which you agreed. I cannot possibly judge your intentions or beliefs. This is a public forum, consequently our posts our open for judgment by everyone equally. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another. (Ephesians 4:25) We both have a right to participate in the forum but only by the good graces of Lockman, based on the agreement that we both promised to keep when we joined. I am willing to accommodate you Merv, if you will do the same for the forum. Below are the verses that deal with all of the doctrines in which you specialize. Now, my friend, please feel the freedom to branch out from Ellen White and study the Word of God with us! In Him, Doc Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (Matthew 15:11) Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. (Romans 14:1-3) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. (Titus 3:9) |
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8 | Noah took 7 clean but only 2 unclean ? | Gen 9:3 | swerv | 155057 | ||
Hi Doc: I respect your comments ! Lets stick with scripture and reasoning -Amen ! Math. 15. Nowhere in the context does Jesus discuss unclean meat. The matter being discussed is unclean hands making the food the disciples were eating unclean. So we are clear the food was unclean not because it was pork but rather because it was unclean from touching it with unclean hands. Therefore when Jesus said it is not what goes into the mouth that makes you unclean - Jesus was not referring to unlean meats but rather the unclean hands making the food unclean. Now Jesus ABSOLUTELY makes His teaching clear by later in the passage - eating with UNCLEAN HANDS does not defile the man but what comes out of the mouth defiles a man. So I believe two major points support my position - 1) the text is only talking about EATING WITH UNCLEAN HANDS and 2) JESUS CLEARLY STATES EATING WITH UNCLEAN HANDS DOES NOT DEFILE A MAN. Nowhere is it stated that eating unclean meat (animals) does not defile a man. Why not - because that would go directly against the God of the OT. And I assume we both believe in the Triune God (ONE God - three persons). Now to further support why Math. 15 is consistently taken out of context to support a false teaching that eating unclean meat is now ok. In Acts Peter (the same Peter who was present in Math. 15) has a vision and God tells him to eat unclean animals (meat). Peter disobeyed God three times and did not eat and came off the roof confused. He was wondering why God would command him to eat unclean animals and to not call things unclean that God calls clean. HHUUMM - Ok lets look what happened. Peter went to the Cornelius and then he understood the vision. God was trying to wake Peter up to the fact that gentiles were no longer to be called unclean people. No where does Peter say unclean meat is now clean. Peter even repeats the experience to his fellow disciples later in Jerusalem and says nothing about unclean meat being now clean. Instead he tells the only meaning od the vision which was to wake up Peter to the fact that gentiles are not to be called unclean and now the gospel can be preached to them. So maybe you wonder why I bring Peter into this discussion. Ok - not only have I shown that the vision only meant that gentiles were now clean BUT Peter had been present at Math. 15 and now it is many years later and I would think that if Jesus supposedly taught that all unclean animals are now clean - Peter would not have disobeyed God in the vision. But clearly Peter disobeyed because 1) Jesus never made unclean meat clean and 2) Peter knew for a fact that eating unclean animals was wrong. This is why Peter was so confused because he did not understand why His God would want him to eating unclean meat that would defile his body. It just did not make sense until the Holy Spirit revealed the true meaning of the vision. God was intentionally using the command to eat the unclean animals to make Peter realize that God wanted the disciples to go preach to the gentiles. Rom. 14 - is not discussing unclean and clean meat but rather the issue about meat being unclean due to idol worship. Remember an idol is nothing according to Paul. Just like the unclean hands making the food unclean and the idol sacrifice making the meat unclean - the actual food or meat is not unclean but it is esteemed to be unclean by the person. God has clearly laid out exaclty what meats are ACTUALLY unclean. Col. 2:16 - is not discussing unclean or clean meats but rather the food and drink sacrifices that were made on the additionals sabbaths and festival days. Since those days were a shaddow of the coming Christ sacrifice - they are not longer required. Just like we no longer sacrifice lambs - we no longer keep those additional sabbaths. They were called sabbaths just like the 7th day. But the 7th day was created and observed since creation. Please let me know, Swerv |
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