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1 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Parable | 84424 | ||
First, I'd like to remind everyone not to underestimate our capacity to destroy ourselves and our home. Indeed, we are doing so as we speak. Over population, global pollution, epidemic disease, social injustice, nuclear proliferation, mass extinction and ecological collapse are ever-expanding realities. Second, I respond to the comment "...Darwinism is being rejected by true scientists in increasing numbers as they examine this theory anew and find it seriously flawed." If it is seriously flawed, there would be many articles about these flaws in referreed scientific journals, not just on the internet,which is completely unregulated by peer review, and many "true" scientists would be proposing viable alternatives in the hope they would gain a place in the history of science. To date, none of this is happening. Furthermore, assuming for the moment we can know who the "true" scientists are, the statement about them rejecting evolution is absolutely incorrect. Rather, evolutionary models are being demonstrated in ever more powerful ways. Evolution ranks with quantum mechanics, relativity and atomic theory as foundational to the modern scientific understanding of the physical universe. "True" Christians need not fear the truths that science reveals, for science, when done properly, can only reveal God's creation. Attempts to promote biblical truth by discrediting science will continue to turn people away from God. Fortunately, not everyone believes science and faith are mutually exclusive, including the bible itself. See Romans 1:20. Parable |
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2 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Hank | 84430 | ||
Parable: You write, "Rather, evolutionary models are being demonstrated in ever more powerful ways. Evolution ranks with quantum mechanics, relativity, and atomic theory as foundational to the modern scientific understanding of the physical universe. Tell me, why should anyone accept the "modern scientific understanding of the physical universe" as being the absolute truth, when it is an incontrovertible historical fact that "scientific understanding" has changed and often reversed itself since the idea of "scientific understanding" came into being? ..... You write further: "'True' Christians need not fear the truths that science reveals, for science, when done properly, can only reveal God's creation." ..... Who is the judge of whether science is "done properly." How does evolution "reveal God's creation" and since when has this theory been elevated to the status of one of "the truths that science reveals"? How can the theory of evolution be reconciled with the Genesis account of creation? Darwin himself admitted it could not be done, yet some Christians today believe the lie of evolution and attempt in vain to reconcile it with God's account of creation. .... You further state, "Attempts to promote biblical truth by discrediting science will continue to turn people away from God." Haven't you got the cart before the horse? The truth is that attempts to promote science by discrediting the Bible will continue to turn people away from God. ..... Parable, if you go back, say, 500 years -- or even 100 years -- and read what the "modern scientists" of those days were saying about what "scientific truth" was then, and compare it with the picture of "scientific truth" that is being painted today, you will get a dramatically different and frequently conflicting picture of what the scientific community calls "the truth that science reveals." Jesus said it once and for all: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me." [John 14:6] It is God through His Son Christ Jesus, not Darwin through his theory of evolution, who has revealed the truth to mankind. It is the Bible, not "Origin of Species," that reveals the origin and destiny of man and offers hope of redemption through the shed blood of Christ on the cross. ..... I fail to find in Romans 1:20 anything remotely having to do with the pseudo-scientific theory of evolution. Perhaps you can explain it. --Hank | ||||||
3 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Parable | 84433 | ||
1. I'll try to respond the original question of this thread, i.e. about the possibility of nuclear winter or global warming, in light of Gen 8:22. Neither of these manmade catastrophes would cause the natural cycles to stop, but they would be greatly altered, so much so that we would be most uncomfortable if not dead. This scripture does not preclude this alteration, so I submit that scripture does not say nuclear winter or global warming will not be permitted to occur, if that is what we bring upon ourselves. 2. You asked "why should anyone accept the "modern scientific understanding of the physical universe" as being the absolute truth,when it is an incontrovertible historical fact that "scientific understanding" has changed and often reversed itself since the idea of "scientific understanding" came into being? I never said that that science is absolute truth and do not endorse the idea that it is. However, Romans 1:20 speaks to our being able to see God's fingerprint on His creation, and the most rigorous way we look at creation is through the scientific method. Clearly, the scientific method is constrained in ways beyond the scope of this forum to discuss. That does not imply it is necessarily incorrect, rather only that it may be incorrect because it is not complete nor the only way to examine the world. I note that James enourages us to "test everything, keep what is good". Science tests everything. Please note, I do not deny the truths expressed by art, music, history or literature and in a similar manner, do not deny the truths of science. I merely accept them for what they are and don't stake my life on them. I stake my life on God. 3. You asked, "Who is the judge of whether science is "done properly?" Science done properly is science done in the open, subject to refinement and revision by public discourse and agreement based on evidence, reason and yes, faith, i.e. faith in the method. There is no science fact or theory that is not subject to rejection in light of new evidence. 4. You asked "How does evolution "reveal God's creation" and since when has this theory been elevated to the status of one of "the truths that science reveals"? Evolution attempts to explain such things as adaptation, diversity, growth and interdependence, in other words, characteristics of life, which is what God is all about. You asked "How can the theory of evolution be reconciled with the Genesis account of creation?" I fail to see why this understanding contradicts Genesis because science can only study the fallen world and Genesis describes events that happened before the Fall, in a time/place we cannot penetrate in any way whatsoever. The gates to the garden are guarded from entry, even by our attempts to extrapolate scientific theories past them. The nature of paradise is completely distinct from the nature of the fallen world. Evolution applies to the fallen world only. Regarding the status of evolution, one need look no further than the fact that it has enabled man to manipulate the machinery of life in unprecedented ways, in much the same way nuclear physics allows us to manipulate energy. Both views have predictive utility as well as provide ways to destroy ourselves. If that's not a good standard for validity, then nothing is, at least in demonstrable practice. 6. You said "The truth is that attempts to promote science by discrediting the Bible will continue to turn people away from God." I agree completely. 7. Regarding your comments about the role of Christ, I agree. Parable |
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4 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Hank | 84437 | ||
Parable, thanks for your response. The common tie that binds us as brothers in Christ is stronger than the issues that divide us. I still maintain firmly that evolution and creationism are incompatible and that no one can accept Darwin's theory of evolution in toto without denying God's account of creation in Genesis. These heady topics are far too complex and presuppose a degree of expertise that few of us have in order to be able to treat them properly on a Bible study forum. And besides, I'm convinced that it is impossible to keep issues of this sort on topic, i.e., on exegesis of the Bible itself, without venturing out into the vast extra-biblical realm of the speculative and the theoretical. There is a number of websites to which the readers of this forum cam go to learn more about creationism and evolution. One Christian-oriented site that I recommend is icr.org. I will take my bow and leave this thread, because it is the sort of subject that could go on interminably without anyone being any wiser or any problem solved. I part with these words from Scripture: "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." [1 Cor. 13:9,10] --Hank | ||||||
5 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Parable | 84444 | ||
I agree and will also recommend a site for those interested in a scientists perspective... www.reasons.org Peace, Parable |
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6 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Hank | 84449 | ||
Parable, thanks for the tip on www.reasons.org. I've only glanced at it thus far, but it holds interest. I was surprised to find the question of Cain's wife addressed and paused long enough to read it. As all of us older users know, it's a question that has been asked on the forum 3 billion times, more or less! I think I'll direct the next questioner to the article on this website. I've enjoyed this discourse with you and hope it has been of some value and will continue to be as it goes now to take its rightful place of honor among the dusty tomes of infinite wisdom that comprise the archives of StudyBibleForum :-) --Hank | ||||||
7 | By the bible, is nuclear winter possible | Gen 8:22 | Parable | 84454 | ||
I value your insights and look to you as an example for how to deal with many topics on this forum. We may disagree from time to time, but I always respect how you justify your positions. Regarding dusty tomes, let us not put our treasure where moth and rust destroy, but in heaven... Parable |
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