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1 | baptism | Gen 2:21 | fmp6954 | 236067 | ||
Greetings Mr. Smith I see you didn’t bother to answer my question about your Baptism. So I have to assume that you believe you had a baptism of the Holy Spirit, and probably another baptism by water. Which I understand is a common practice among the Pentecostal Belief. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given by God. And God decided who would have it and who wouldn’t Spirit baptism: the apostles on Pentecost Acts 2 and Cornelius' household in Acts 10. God determined who would receive it; it was not up to men to choose whether or not they would receive it. It was not administered by men, but was sent directly from the Lord in heaven. It was NEVER necessary to salvation, but was given in the age before the Bible was completed for the purpose of bestowing miraculous gifts Acts 1:21.22, it cannot be received today by anyone. Now that the Bible has been completed, Holy Spirit baptism has fulfilled its purpose and ceased So Mr. Smith you did not have the Baptism of the Spirit and as for the other baptism you probably had with water, that was done for the wrong reason, therefore all that did is get you wet. You said HOWEVER SHOULD WE BE BAPITZED YES, CHRIST SET THE EXAMPLE Yes we should be Baptized ! But was Christ’s Baptism an example ? three reasons for the baptism of Jesus by John. 1. It was to identify the Lord as the Son of God at the beginning of his ministry. 2. It was a commencement token of the total dedication of Christ in carrying out Heaven’s plan. 3. It was a visual precursor to the Savior’s ultimate death, burial, and resurrection. So Hardly an example for us. You mentioned the Thief on the cross as an example of saving without baptism. That doesn’t hold water for several reasons. 1. Do We Really Know that the Thief Was Never Baptized? Matthew 3:5,6 - People from Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region round about were baptized by John 2. The Thief Cannot Be Used as an Example of Salvation by Gospel Faith Romans 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. So, to have the faith required by the gospel, we must believe that God "has raised" Jesus from the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection are the fundamental facts of the gospel that we must receive, believe, and hold fast in order to be saved. The thief on the cross could not possibly believe Jesus had been raised from the dead, because He had not yet died, let alone been buried and raised. So, if it is true that the thief could not have received the baptism of the gospel, then it is also true that he could not have possessed the same faith that the gospel requires of us today. The gospel requires us to believe that Jesus has died, been buried, and been raised. The thief could not have believed this, because it had not happened. All that he could have believed would be to look forward to these events, even as John's baptism looked forward to them 3. Many Scriptures Teach that Baptism Is Essential to Receive Forgiveness under the Gospel. Mark 16:16,15 - The gospel teaches that he who believes and is baptized will be saved. Acts 2:38 - Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. Acts 22:16 - Be baptized and wash away your sins. Romans 6:3,4; Galatians 3:26,27 - We are baptized into Christ, into His death. We have newness of life after we have been baptized (John 3:3,5). 1 Peter 3:21 - Baptism now saves us. Note carefully that all these passages state terms of salvation under the gospel - not the terms of salvation for people before the gospel came into effect. The gospel clearly teaches that baptism is essential to receive remission. God's word does not contradict itself. The case of the thief could not possibly prove that people are saved without baptism, because that would contradict other gospel passages. 4. The Thief Was Forgiven before the Gospel Came into Effect. So, the Old Law was in effect until Jesus died. But the thief was forgiven before Jesus died, while the first covenant was still in effect. The conditions he had to meet to be forgiven prove nothing about the conditions under which we are forgiven under the gospel. 5. Before His Death, Jesus Forgave People Directly as He Chose. After His Death, We Must Meet the Terms of His Will to Be Forgiven Mark 2:5-12; Luke 7:48,49; cf. John 8:1-11 - Before His death Jesus directly granted forgiveness to several people. Apparently the thief is another such case. But He did not forgive any of these people under the terms of the gospel, since the gospel was not yet in effect. These are not my words but the word of God In Christ Fmp |
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2 | baptism | Gen 2:21 | escar.smith@yahoo.com | 236069 | ||
Baptism is between God and the person being baptized, Are we sure the malefactor on the cross was not baptized with water, answer yes because it is not documented in the bible that he was, And the word was right there on the cross with him, You didn't answer my question once we have accepted Christ as our savior does the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit dwell in us, debating baptism is like debating whose Cain's father is. I think John 3:16 will answer the person that asked if a person was not baptized with water and dies would they go to heaven, confusion is one of Satan's favorite tools. John 1;1 In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. once we accept Christ as our Savior John 1:33 And I knew him not :but he that sent me to baptize with water, The same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see THE SPIRIT descending, and remaining on him, the same is which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit, Then comes the testimony of Death, Burial and Resurrection. END OF DISCUSSION. | ||||||
3 | baptism | Gen 2:21 | fmp6954 | 236076 | ||
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