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1 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | mistknight | 36417 | ||
I have told you before that I persue truth. When I see something illogical in Muslim's faith I clearly say it out loud. When they give me arguments against Christianity and I refer to you then reply to them, they tell me that this is the stance of a Christian, since none knows my personal beliefs. And they simply despise it(and me) for that matter. When I see something historically wrong on behalf of Christians I say it clear cut, again, they tell me that this is the attitude of a Muslim. They don't like me, but I hate no one. I don't seek any side's contentment for me. I simply seek the truth. If that truth offends Christians or Muslims, it nonetheless is the unchangable truth. It seems you might have overlooked that I might be someone who's searching for a faith. That would require me to question both sides, would it not? As for Christians, we know quite well that Muhammad never encountered any at the time before Hijra (before going to Madina). Jews were concentrated in Madina also. According to Muslim references (which are highly doubtful), Jews and Christians were there for the sole purpose of awaiting someone they knew would be born at that time, and around these places. Again, if we look at the text in the Koran, we can clearly see that he didn't wait until after Hijra for his revelation to start. Moreover, hundreds of verses in the Koran deal not only with belief, but with the life and span of his stay and of Arab's history. Was that also recorded in Jewish teachings? Especially that they wouldn't care more or less for the pagan Arabs? What about the names of places? What about the stories associated with prophets which are nowhere to be found in the bible? If we accept what you said, we might just be questioning what reached us from the bible, and from what was usually concidered then as bible. Not convinced? Let's not forget that Jews in particular hold the belief that Jewdism is their religion only, and that they are exalted above gentiles. It would be highly questionable that one of them would go out of his way to teach a gentile his most holliest teachings when he knows that it would not even give salvation to him (assuming he could find a Jew in Mecca). Let's not forget also that Jews were from the few who refused the new religion, they couldn't have then seen it very much like their own religions would they? What does all this tell you? Logic my friend. When I translate a verse of the Koran and it says the Koran is divine revelation, or offends trinity. Then can you honestly say that this is what I I'm saying? Not what the verses honestly say when translated? Which I use only to show you what a Muslim would say to what he would concider very weak arguments. If I choose to take out such parts which offend the trinity or say that the Koran is divine, then I don't think the text can still be called part of the Koran?Perhaps the Koran revised and edited by a Christian. If I don't even state the verses, then I would be called ignorant for not knowing anything about the faith and it's replies to the attacks at hand. Would that be an "objective" reply to you? Logic my friend. Mist |
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2 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | Emmaus | 36532 | ||
Mist, We are all seeking the truth, but we and your Muslim contacts are willing to say from what position we stand in our search. You are not willing to tell us where you stand or what your point of reference is as you search. It is not your search for truth that irritates your contacts on both sides but you lack of transparency about what you believe. You must believe something. Everyone does. "As for Christians, we know quite well that Muhammad never encountered any at the time before Hijra (before going to Madina). Jews were concentrated in Madina also." How do we know this quite well? Was not Mohammed a caravan trader? Did he not travel far and deal with many communities including Christians and Jews? It is extremely unlikely he dealt only with local pagans in his trade. Logic my friend. Emmaus |
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3 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | mistknight | 36741 | ||
I will reply to this with two messages, this is the first of them. Let’s assume that what you say is true. Why then hasn’t anyone beside Muhammad claimed prophecy? Why is it so that when Muhammad was offered the rule over Mecca if he leaves this religion did he reject it when he was at the utmost weakness? Why has he lived his life with many days barely finding a thing to eat? Fasting days and praying nights? Just for showoff? To get people to follow him? And living and dying the harshest of life? What did he gain from all of this beside being beaten, spat on and called crazy? Beside seeing his followers stabbed and tortured? And then, when gaining the upper hand over those who did this, he said: “Go, you are free.” I believe that God has the power to show us without the slightest doubt that what he sent was from him, not the works of humans. Then a person would no longer have “faith”, he would have “knowledge”. He would no longer “think”, he would “know”. The truth exists, but are we willing to accept it? More important, are we willing to search for it even if we believe we found it? Are we willing to throw everything we believe away so we can judge wisely in what we have between our hands? And if we find it, are we willing to show it to people as plain as it is? With the wisdom endowed to us so that we convey it smoothly? Change people’s thoughts, not only beliefs. Don’t we know that God’s words are so resistant that they neither contradict logic, mind, science, or itself? I have found this, so much that when I attempt to weaken it, it weakens me and grows stronger. If only one criteria fails, then can’t we accept that the God of infinite Wisdom did not reveal it? You must attack your beliefs from all sides, try to weaken it, if it grows stronger and weakens you. Then you have found God. But don’t lie to yourselves, don’t grant it a false victory and remain living in a lie. Remember that your decisions seal your fate and the fate of your loved ones, DON’T be so selfish! When you work with two religions you’re dealing with a two edged sword. Or as Arabs would say it, the best of which is worse. As unfortunate as it is, when someone of one faith is faced with someone of another, each of them unconsciously raise the shield of ignorance and hard-headedness. On the other hand, when you work ambiguously (without revealing you beliefs), some of what you say will be accepted, the rest will be rejected; nonetheless, although rejected and replied to harshly and insultingly, it is still heard. That’s much better than trying to communicate and being sealed off immediately. Which would stain all your efforts vain. I personally don’t like this. But when you see the few Muslims who begin to understand more about Christians, feeling a bit of compassion instead towards them, not hatred (which is not religious hatred) which built up through a lifetime, you then realize that your efforts are not in vain. “And you will find from the people most hateful to the believers (Muslims), the Jews and the Pagans. And nearest amongst them in love to those who believe are those who say: we are Christians. That is because there are amongst them people devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world for they are not arrogant (Koran 5:85)”. |
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