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1 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | Emmaus | 36379 | ||
Mist, I was not aware I was addressing myself or the text to a Muslim unless you are one. I also made plain the orientation of the book. Your judgment seems rather hasty after only two pages. I also made plain this more a historical persepective than theological. But you may have other more appealing Christian responses to or criitiques of Islam to pursue. I would point out though that memory not translation was the primary mode of transmission among most people who were illierate at that time. And most Christians in the area spoke Arabic or Aramaic and churches had manuscript bibles in those language. Mohammed obviously learned much and remembered much both Christian and Jewish in his business travels. His illiteracy was neither unusual for the time nor a hindrance to his success in business and society as you obviously know. You seem to be speaking from the position of accepting the Koran as divine revelation rather than taking the objective stand that you previously indicated. I think I may have offended you because you are a believer in Islam. I know Tim earlier sensed the same possibility. You have not stated your personal belief, but you do know ours. I will leave you and Tim to continue the conversation. Emmaus |
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2 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | mistknight | 36417 | ||
I have told you before that I persue truth. When I see something illogical in Muslim's faith I clearly say it out loud. When they give me arguments against Christianity and I refer to you then reply to them, they tell me that this is the stance of a Christian, since none knows my personal beliefs. And they simply despise it(and me) for that matter. When I see something historically wrong on behalf of Christians I say it clear cut, again, they tell me that this is the attitude of a Muslim. They don't like me, but I hate no one. I don't seek any side's contentment for me. I simply seek the truth. If that truth offends Christians or Muslims, it nonetheless is the unchangable truth. It seems you might have overlooked that I might be someone who's searching for a faith. That would require me to question both sides, would it not? As for Christians, we know quite well that Muhammad never encountered any at the time before Hijra (before going to Madina). Jews were concentrated in Madina also. According to Muslim references (which are highly doubtful), Jews and Christians were there for the sole purpose of awaiting someone they knew would be born at that time, and around these places. Again, if we look at the text in the Koran, we can clearly see that he didn't wait until after Hijra for his revelation to start. Moreover, hundreds of verses in the Koran deal not only with belief, but with the life and span of his stay and of Arab's history. Was that also recorded in Jewish teachings? Especially that they wouldn't care more or less for the pagan Arabs? What about the names of places? What about the stories associated with prophets which are nowhere to be found in the bible? If we accept what you said, we might just be questioning what reached us from the bible, and from what was usually concidered then as bible. Not convinced? Let's not forget that Jews in particular hold the belief that Jewdism is their religion only, and that they are exalted above gentiles. It would be highly questionable that one of them would go out of his way to teach a gentile his most holliest teachings when he knows that it would not even give salvation to him (assuming he could find a Jew in Mecca). Let's not forget also that Jews were from the few who refused the new religion, they couldn't have then seen it very much like their own religions would they? What does all this tell you? Logic my friend. When I translate a verse of the Koran and it says the Koran is divine revelation, or offends trinity. Then can you honestly say that this is what I I'm saying? Not what the verses honestly say when translated? Which I use only to show you what a Muslim would say to what he would concider very weak arguments. If I choose to take out such parts which offend the trinity or say that the Koran is divine, then I don't think the text can still be called part of the Koran?Perhaps the Koran revised and edited by a Christian. If I don't even state the verses, then I would be called ignorant for not knowing anything about the faith and it's replies to the attacks at hand. Would that be an "objective" reply to you? Logic my friend. Mist |
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3 | Who was the one to be sacrificed? | Gen 22:12 | 10ECPreacher | 36453 | ||
Greetings, Mist. I submit the following scriptures for your consideration in your pursuit of truth. "So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." [John 8:31-32 NASB] 'Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."' [John 14:6 NASB] 'Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."' [John 18:37 NASB] "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error." [1 John 4:1-6 NASB] "For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself." [Phil. 3:18-21 NASB] "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine [is disloyal to what Jesus Christ taught], do not receive him [do not accept him, do not welcome or admit him] into [your] house or bid him Godspeed or give him any encouragement. For he who wishes him success [who encourages him, wishing him Godspeed] is a partaker in his evil doings." [2 John 1:10-11 Amplified] I am convinced that any message, gospel or doctrine that does not present Jesus Christ-- crucified, resurrected, glorified--is an insult to the Cross, and ultimately insulting to all who believe in Christ. I would strongly urge all who are sincerely seeking truth to go to the Cross of Jesus Christ. You will need look no further. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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