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1 | What was the name of Lot´s wife? | Gen 19:26 | wordoer | 73795 | ||
Hello EdB, Thank you for your response and concern in this matter. I believe the scripture is very clear about not letting any man deceive us. I’m no Bible expert, But, let me run this by you, for your consideration. I am reading along in the Word of God , and I come across these references to the book of Jasher, that two great men of God, Joshua and David are directing my attention to. (As a means of validating what they are saying.) So , my interest is aroused, and I search out and obtain a copy of this book. I will admit I have not read the whole way through the book as my studies send me off in different directions to find information. I was a little concerned last night after reading Taleb’s reply, where it was pointed out to me that neither reference was valid. What?!!! I knew that the account of Joshua was in there so I looked at that first, and yes, it’s still there. If I could talk to Joshua, I would tell him, Yes, I’ve read of the account of which you speak, and it is written in Jasher. My main concern was David’s reference in 2Sam 1:18, I had not checked it out, ( Forgive me, and Thank you for helping to keep me honest). So, I went and started reading, and guess what, I found it! So now also, if I could talk to David, I could tell him, Yes , I have seen where it is written. Now , I’m dry, what I need is this, “more than a little proof”, you speak of. I mean if this book is wrong, or contrary to the scriptures, I want to check it out and make sure before I toss it out. But, if it is true or at least worthy of noting, I would like to be able to glean information from it. For example, the name of Lot’s wife. I also doubt the writer of Jasher forgot to write anything as it was apparently written before Joshua and David referred to it. I realize that this book (Jasher) is not the inspired Word of God.( If a subject of disagreement arose between God’s Word and Jasher, The Holy Scriptures would win out hands down.) This does however appear to be an excellent history book, with between the lines information of early Biblical accounts. Also consider this, God’s Word says it is written in Jasher, Is it not calling God a liar, If we deny the what the Word tells us. I looked and these things are written in the Book of Jasher. Now you have two contrary accounts of the references to this book, My account is agreeable with scripture, Biblical experts refute it as a deception. Someone is lying, You judge for yourself. I will provide the references if you are interested, Or you could do like I did and check it out for yourself. Anyway, Who would waste time and read through a book that has been labeled as deception just to check to see if the Bible experts are telling the truth. Let no man deceive you with empty words. I want to add that it was not my intention to defend the Book of Jasher, ( I do think it was unduly maligned) and it will have to stand on its own. But to defend the Word of God , I hope you can see where Biblical experts have denied the Word of God. Yours in truth, wordoer |
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2 | What was the name of Lot´s wife? | Gen 19:26 | Taleb | 73839 | ||
Wordoer, I agree with both EdB and Tim. The reason I mentioned Joshua and 2 Samuel wasn't listed, was, it isn't in my copy. After you wrote it was in yours, I did some checking on the internet, under "book of Jasher". logosresourcepages.org/jasher.htm spells out the multiple problems with Jasher. Tim as "almost" right, when he said the Jewish cultists wrote their own. "Almost right" means they did write their own. But, according to the various copies available, it means several of them wrote their own different ones. I agree with Edb. Stay in God's word. My library is overfilled with books, from many differant "viewpoints", because they are of use to know why someone believes in order to correct their errors. One doesn't walk up to a JW and say "Your wrong", without knowing where they are wrong, right? Bank tellers in training don't get to see any counterfeit money UNTIL they know the real real well. Taleb |
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3 | What was the name of Lot´s wife? | Gen 19:26 | wordoer | 73892 | ||
Hello Taleb, Don't worry, I will stay in God's Word, But, like I said, it says it in the Word, I am merely investigating to see if it is true. I did some investigating and, I only know of two different books a 1829 (maybe the "Jewish cultists" version, I don't know what that term implies, but, I see the fruit of it, lies) version which is most apparent to be a fraud. However, The 1840 version (which I have)appears to be credible. I looked at the link you provided (Thanks) and have read some of the so called contradictions and problems, but, I started investigating and this 1840 version is proving to be more credible at each contradition that is listed. Some of them I have to answer with "So what?",I would like to offer this one to you. This is clearly a deception, This is the statement made, "Simeon could not be bound in Jasher 51:37 but in Genesis. 42:24 Simeon is bound before their eyes." This is clearly contrary to scripture, Wrong. Apparently, and according to the writing in Jasher, Simeon was a very strong man. And Jasher affirms the Holy scripture that says Simeon is "bound" a few verses later. with this; And Manassah laid hold of Simeon and he seized him violently and bound him and brought him into the house of confinement,... So Simeon is bound in the Book of Jasher! One lie brought into the light. Not a contradiction at all. Boom!!!, I think that one was blown out of the water. The others appear to be of the same nature, some are a little trickier than others but I will examine them carefully. If they are all as easy as the one listed, This will be a piece of cake. JW's are supposed to be coming back, I wasn't able to talk to them when they stopped by last week. I like that, and believe it is true about knowing the real, before looking at the couterfeit. I am looking for the proof, that this 1840 version is a fraud, If it doesn't materialize, I should still reject it as a fraud? I do appreciate your response,in Christian love, wordoer |
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4 | What was the name of Lot´s wife? | Gen 19:26 | stjones | 73909 | ||
Hi, wordoer; Just a couple of points: First, the Bible does not indicate that the Book of Jashar (NIV) is inspired or authoritative - appropriate for what seems to viewed today as something like an early hymnal. Apparently the Israelites did not consider it worth preserving as part of the Hebrew canon. Second, at this late date, the burden of proof is on those who assert that their version is authentic. What is the provenance? If no known copy can be traced back more that 400 years (as Tim has suggested), I can see no reason to assume that it is authentic. Lacking any such persuasive evidence, I would have to approach it with a healthy dose of skepticism. Third, Taleb's observation about counterfeits is true for a very simple reason - there are only two authentic 20 dollar bills (American) but there can be an infinite number of counterfeits. There's no way to learn them all, so instead tellers learn to recognize the genuine articles. So it is with the Bible - there is no way to learn all the heresies, misleading interpretations and translations, and outright lies, so we must learn the authentic word of God in order to recognize the frauds. Having said all that, I can appreciate your interest in this book. Josephus is flawed, but we look with interest at his writings. You have clearly stated that Jashar is inferior to Scripture and that you are not defending it as authoritative. It's an intriguing rabbit trail. Others have chided you for spending time with Jashar that you could be spending with the Bible. This is true, but the same could be said for the time I spend in the workshop, so I'm not going to go there. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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