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1 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | Emmaus | 68337 | ||
1 Dove, I think there are two schools of thought on this usagae of "we." One is that the royal "We" or "Us" is being used, the other that it is indication of foreshadowing of the Trinity. If you take the Trinitarian position, it is important that the Trinity is understood, so far as it cane be understood as one God in three Persons, not "three beings." For as the Nicene Creed states, Jesus is "one in being with the Father," as is the Holy Spirit. Emmaus |
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2 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | celestine6869 | 69306 | ||
semantics.... 3 beings, 3 persons, capital letters verse non capital letters. I would add a word of caution to those of you who get caught up in translation discrepencies... As far as I am concerned, if you really want to know the answer you will need to request it from the source. Because when God gives you information - you "just know" and sometimes trying to explain somethat that you "just know" is easier said than done... | ||||||
3 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | Reformer Joe | 69320 | ||
You wrote: "I would add a word of caution to those of you who get caught up in translation discrepencies..." We are not talking about translation discrepancies, but rather what is clearly stated in nearly every book in the Bible: ONE GOD. 'As far as I am concerned, if you really want to know the answer you will need to request it from the source. Because when God gives you information - you "just know" and sometimes trying to explain somethat that you "just know" is easier said than done...' And what if what one Christian "just knows" is directly contrary to what another Christian "just knows"? God does give us information, but is contained in His written revelation to us and not "out there" somewhere for us to access in some kind of Gnostic fashion. --Joe! |
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4 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | celestine6869 | 69395 | ||
Hello? Is anybody home or are you too filled up to hear another opinion? When a person is all filled up with what they THINK they know, then obviously they can not learn anything new? What I express here are my OPINIONS and it is too bad that one of us appears to be closed off. You are not accurate in your attack, Take a breath and I will explain. First of all, what do you mean we are not talking about translations?? This is exactly what we are talking about... Why do you think there are so many different denominations? Because people receive things differently (even though it is written the same) HOWEVER, THERE ARE many translation discrepancies between the different Bible versions!! I am sorry if you think I am making this up. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand what I am saying. In fact, I am not even sure what you are so upset about in the first place but to get one thing clear, yes there is only ONE GOD as you put it BUT THIS ONE GOD consists of God himself, Jesus, the Son of God, And the Holy Spirit (AKA The Trinity). You said, “We are not talking about translation discrepancies, but rather what is clearly stated in nearly every book…” This is exactly what I am talking about and the key to your comment is in your word ‘nearly’ I’m sorry you did not understand my comment ”just knowing” what Jesus or God wants. I will explain myself. Yes the Bible is the Truth and the word of God as it was understood by the people who were inspired to write it. What I mean is that when one studies the Bible he or she receives what is written. Now when this person is unclear as to what God means, he should pray about it and the truth and clarification will be made available to him. Now image this… Let’s pretend God “SPEAKS” to you. Let’s say He show’s you an object and talks to you about it. Now I would image that he may or may not use only “spoken words” HE may also use pictures or images, could He not? Ok if we are in agreement for a moment – now I would like for you to look at a piece of wood furniture there in your home. Notice the intricate detail of the grains in the wood, the color, texture, shape, etc. You obviously see and KNOW what you are looking at right? Now I would like for you to describe for me in spoken (or obviously ‘for this example’ written) words what you are looking at so that I too will see exactly what you are looking at, which will allow me to see the very same image as you see it… |
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5 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | Reformer Joe | 69425 | ||
"Hello? Is anybody home or are you too filled up to hear another opinion?" No, for almost 1900 posts I have been out. I hope to return shortly! :) "What I express here are my OPINIONS and it is too bad that one of us appears to be closed off." If I were closed off, I wouldn't respond at all. Opinions expressed publicly are subject to peer review within the guidelines of the owners of this Forum. Disagreement welcomed, as long as it is supported with Scripture. "You are not accurate in your attack, Take a breath and I will explain." I am not attacking. Inhale...exhale. "First of all, what do you mean we are not talking about translations??" What I mean is that there is not a single reliable translation from the original languages that would state that there is more than one God. Yes, there are slight differences in doctrine based on how one translates certain passages, but the monotheism of the Christian faith is not one of those disputed doctrines. "Why do you think there are so many different denominations? Because people receive things differently (even though it is written the same)" I think that there are so many different denominations because people pick and choose what they believe about the Bible (and, yes, I am quite certain that includes me, too). 'You said, “We are not talking about translation discrepancies, but rather what is clearly stated in nearly every book…” This is exactly what I am talking about and the key to your comment is in your word ‘nearly’' I did not say that other books contradict monotheism; some just take it as an implicit assumption. The entire Bible does indeed affirm one God, and the New Testament in particular elaborates that this one God eternally exists simultaneously and distinctly as Father, Son, and Spirit. "Yes the Bible is the Truth and the word of God as it was understood by the people who were inspired to write it." So you do not believe in the inerrant, infallible inspiration of Scripture? You are suggesting that the humanity of the writers got in the way of God's message getting through loud and clear? "What I mean is that when one studies the Bible he or she receives what is written. Now when this person is unclear as to what God means, he should pray about it and the truth and clarification will be made available to him." You are leaving out important things that God provided to help make sure that the "truth" we receive is indeed the truth. God has provided His communion of saints (the Church), along with Spirit-equipped teachers to guide the body of Christ in the proper understanding of the Scriptures. The learning about God was never intended to be an individual activity (Ephesians 4; Romans 12; 1 Corinthians 12). "Now image this… Let’s pretend God “SPEAKS” to you." And that would be pretending, in the sense that he spoke to the apostles and prophets... "Let’s say He show’s you an object and talks to you about it. Now I would image that he may or may not use only “spoken words” HE may also use pictures or images, could He not? Ok if we are in agreement for a moment – now I would like for you to look at a piece of wood furniture there in your home. Notice the intricate detail of the grains in the wood, the color, texture, shape, etc. You obviously see and KNOW what you are looking at right?" But you are leaving out the supernatural guiding of the Bible writers to protect them from error. The doctrine of inspiration holds that God superintended the writing of Scripture so that the words of the Bible are simultaneously the words of men and the words of God (and therefore infallible and inerrant). --Joe! |
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