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1 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | Radioman | 973 | ||
PART TWO. Why won't Calvinists answer directly? 1) Who is a Calvinist? If I don't call myself a Calvinist, who are you to put that label on me? 2)Answer what directly? Sometimes the questions are so off topic, so hypothetical and broad, that they cannot be answered. . . . 3) Do you respond directly? You all never respond directly to the Scriptures used to defend election. I've rarely, if ever, seen an anti-electionist directly answer a scripture or an argument used to prove election. You usually answer a question with more questions or with sophistry that only confuses the issue. I've read more rambling remarks, irrelevant Scripture, hypothetical questions, "why" questions full of suppositions and way off topic, angry comebacks and just plain nonsense in the anti-Calvinism answers and questions. How is anybody supposed to answer such wide-ranging, hypothetical questions? . . . I would also note that the underlying resistance of the anti-election people is due to their idea that God just wouldn't be fair if election were true. And so they ask WHY questions that are worded to get the other person to agree with them. If election isn't true or doesn't exist, why does the Bible make 250 references to the subject? . . . Again people keep raising objections to what they call Calvinism while not bothering to even try to read and understand a definition and explanation of the doctrine. It's as if I had driven a Honda Accord for 20 years. Then you come along. You've never even seen a Honda Accord, but you've already decided you don't like Accords and don't want one. In that situation do you think you could convince me the car is no good? Having never seen one, you wouldn't have the slightest personal knowledge on which to build an argument. At best, you would be limited to quoting the writings of others, parroting their ideas while having none of your own. . . . Again, if I ever saw a well-thought-out, Scripture related question re election, I would make a sincere attempt to answer it. . . . In conclusion, thiese remarks may have sounded harsh and critical. Such was not my intention. I have love and respect for you and all who are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I respect your right to your own attitudes, opinions and beliefs. It's just that I cannot sit by silently and read all the criticism, mockery and misunderstanding of the Bible doctrine of election. As Dylan said, "Don't criticize what you don't understand." If you've read this entire answer, then I thank you for your time and patience. Let's keep searching and learning for greater wisdom and understanding, shall we? After 30 years of serious Bible study, I feel as though I've only begun to scratch the surface in knowing and understanding Scripture. My thanks to you and the other users for stimulating me to continue to search, study and pay attention to the details of the Bible. Always look forward to reading your questions or comments. In Christ, Radioman |
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2 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 976 | ||
PART TWO: In your Part two, I think I've answered your first two paragraphs but would be happy to directly respond to any scripture verses you supply although I have done this elsewhere in this forum. (I would appreciate it if you would respond to my 3 original questions first though). The idea of God being fair or not has nothing to do with why I don't believe in Election. If God were fair (in God's terms) then we would all go to Hell. If God were fair (in human terms) then all good people would go to Heaven. The point is that God did put a limit on the people that would be saved. That limit is that ANYONE that CHOSES to believe in His Son and repent their sins will be saved. You bring up the example of the person driving a Honda Accord for 20 years and just because I don't drive one I'm in no position to get you to change cars. I assume then you also believe if you talked to a Jehovah's Witness, a Mormon, an Athiest, a Prostitute, etc... then you would not be able to show them what it means to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? I believe I could get you out of that Accord and into a Grand Prix if I were to show you enough examples of why the Accord is a bad car, has poor safety records, is driven only by those that have been taught "that's the car we drive, son", etc... (Although this is a bad example because the Accord really is a good car.) I assume by your 2nd to last paragraph that you believe that the three questions I asked are not well-thought-out or scripturally based, otherwise you would have attempted to answer them. If this is so, please let me know why. Thank you (and sorry about the long reply) I also respect your right to your own attitudes, but I also think about the passage where we are warned against those that teach false doctrine. I'm not saying that Election is false doctrine, it's that I'm trying to determine (for myself) if it's worth running from (or fighting against). A little background info -- I'm attending a church that is Calvinistic in majority (and believe in Election - "only some are chosen to be saved") and have come to the conclusion that I need to either understand how I may be misinterpreting the bible, fight or run) I'm not one to believe in something just because someone says it's true. I have to research it for myself and see if there could be two possible interpretations and if not, then determine if this is a doctrinal matter or just a little human petty thing. I really am trying to understand the Election idea but have not received any real help. Thank you for your patience. |
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