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1 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | RElderCascade | 1582 | ||
If when God hardened Pharoah's how do we know it wasn't what sent him to eternal damnation? Do you really believe there is Biblical evidence to have hope that he repented later? I don't know for sure but it is safest to think there is no hope for him after reading about him and what God did to deal with him. Would your mind consider it fair or reasonable of God to specifically harden his heart unto damnation? | ||||||
2 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1594 | ||
First of all there is no biblical evidence of what happend to Pharoah. You cannot assume one way or the other. Yes, there is a posibiity that Pharoah's realized the power of God and repented. The opposite is also possible. There is no sin to great for God to forgive. Just because God hardened his heart does not mean he was damned. It just means that he had to use Pharoah to demonstrate the great power of God to both the Egyptians and the Isrealites. What happened after the Sea of Reeds is not stated in the Bible (that I'm aware of). Egyptian history may offer some clue but that really doesn't matter. |
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3 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | RElderCascade | 1667 | ||
Indeed there is no sin so great that God is incapable of forgiving it! You know I didn't make a stand on solid Biblical statements that I know what happened to Pharoah. But with all the quality wisdom you can muster don't you think the story of Pharoah would convince most that he didn't get saved! You who believe that unregenerate man can actually make a rational choice really have a great example to discuss in Pharoah. If unregenerate man can actually choose God then your statement that there is a possibility that Pharoah repented later serves as a great test case of typical human beings. If he is regenerate it only happened by God's choice of him first! Anything else is and uncaused event (or in other words-its absurd). Man is not the first cause of anything significant in the universe, God is! By the way, I don't subscribe to the belief that the way God chose the non-elect is by specificly working in the lives of those who are not saved to harden them to the guaranteed point of sending them to Hell. I know that in the rhetorical moment of an earlier comment I made it sound like I beleive God makes positive surety of those going to Hell by His involvement directly. That is not the way it works. God will instead give one over to the real state of their heart. Pharoah had enough evil in his heart already, so when God hardened his heart it was done by restraining his grace from him. God set it out from the foundation of eternity to either elect Pharoah or pass him over and it had nothing to do with the self-refuting nonsense that God had to look into the the future to see what Pharoah would do and then respond. Have you ever considered how self-refuting that idea (a popular idea in our modern t.v. culture) that requires God to observe the future and then act or reward so-to-speak based on what he observed? It refutes itself because it assumes the Ruler of the universe who isn't quite so sovereign over His creatures that He can't or won't just do what He wants to do firstly, and must instead wait upon His creatures to assert themselves and then He responds as a second-cause. Who is God really in this model? How does he do this and still remain sovereign? Of course another impossibility is that unregenerate man can choose his own eternal fate while in sin. This of course has to happen first to set that small 'g' god described above as a second causal being into motion to monkey around with his universe. I tell you it is self refuting! |
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4 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 1689 | ||
We can end this conversation now. In your small mind (compared to God's of course) you seem to know exactly how God works. I sometimes wish I could be so blind and assume that there is only one possible interpretation of the Bible. Have a good day and try to enjoy God's gift. |
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5 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | RElderCascade | 1700 | ||
My appreciation of the grace that abounds to me a sinner is so overwhelming that He won't let me "try" to value Him. His grace abounds to me in such overly large ways that for me to STRIVE to value it is so far from my experience. My prayer is that you don't have to work at enjoying God? I "try" to stay in a race even when someone gets ahead of me who I feel I should beat. I "try" to continue to do a hard workout even when the pain is great -- I greatly thank you for the sentiment so I want to assure you God constantly does increase my joy in Him. Our dialog has been a truly great joy for me. I have truly loved it more of late! God uses what he will, this debate has been greatly used by Him to me! He is sovereign! His grace nearly incomprehensible. Since you have tired of the debate I'll let it end. Remember once a man-to-man debate begins a real man refrains from doing personal character attacks --even if tempted to because of hating the other's position. If you toe the (starting) line in a race you imply to do the event as long as you can and to respect the other competitors. Don't do weenie-type insults to brothers in the Lord they don't like it -- do you? Or do you believe that we can slam other Christians around since they must answer the Lord for their bad behaviour, they'll not answer? Therefore one may do "christian-swearing" with them, even they could forgive that! I hope not, it sounds like license to me. Wouldn't you want a written record of proof that you resisted such woosie--schoolboy silliness. I have a clear conscience the record shows that you never received such from me. |
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