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1 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | azurelaw | 201563 | ||
Dear Brad, I have done a word search for both "hell" and "hades" and got the below: hadês; (86) perh. from 1 (as a neg. pref.) and 1491a (3708); Hades, the abode of departed spirits:--Hades(10). hell (1067) : geenna; of Heb. or. [1516 and 2011]; Gehenna, a valley W. and S. of Jer., also a symbolic name for the final place of punishment of the ungodly:--hell(12). The Apostles' Creed (Chinese version) I recite at church articulate more on the sense of "hades" instead of "hell" in the English version. In that case, I think the doctrine could have been based on : Acts 2:31 He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction. [Ps. 16:10.] Then my concern will be: 1/ Does the Chinese Apostle's Creed hold closer meaning in employing Acts 2:31? (This one I will need to ask our pastor at church.) 2/ Is Acts 2:31 a more relevant scripture to the Apostles' Creed doctrine? If so, how should we understand "...He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits)..."? Does it bear the meaning that Jesus did go to hades but not left there? Your enlightenment will be very much appreciated. Shalom Azure |
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2 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | BMyers | 201565 | ||
I wish I could enlighten, but as I have stated more than once I'm no Bible scholar. I was hoping someone that is Catholic may have some insight into the Creed (or Lutheran, even church of England). The United Methodist changed the creed some and reads: "was crucified, dead, and buried; the third day he rose from the dead;". If you do a search on the Catholic Encyclopedia online, it has an interesting article about the creed and the history behind it. I know very little about the Creed since I’ve attended an Assembly of God church my whole life and the Creed is not something we recite. I don’t know what the Chinese version of the Creed might be? Reading the online article and doing a little research apparently the Creed went through some changes at different Councils. As the debates were going on in the Councils, the Creed was adjusted to make sure it expressed the belief of the Council. At this point you have just about depleted my knowledge on the Creed. As far as the orginal question did Jesus go to hell/hades? AC 2:31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY. As you can tell by my typing, I'm not an English major either, so I read the above verse and can take it either way (He did (but hell couldn't hold Him)or He didn't go to hell (because hell didn't have power over Him)). Is there important Biblical issue I'm missing if Jesus did or did not go to hell? Thanks, Brad |
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3 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | azurelaw | 201566 | ||
Dear Brad, Thanks for your reply and I don't mean to put you into a difficult situation, sorry. I was not asking you to comment or verify (that is sure not fair for any non-Chinese Christian to do) on the Chinese version as well. I just wanted to provide something that I know but also needed to get a better understanding as to the original language version of the Creed for I believe the Apostles' Creed should be biblically based. Shamefully, I did not study the Apostles' Creed as I should have. However, when the subject brought up about if Jesus went to hell (clearly addressed in the Creed) in concern with the relevant scripture,I hope you (or others) may help me understand better. Last but not least, I am surprised that you said you are not an English major! What is your first langauge, if you don't mind to tell? Hope you enjoy the forum. :-) Shalom Azure |
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4 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | BMyers | 201569 | ||
You didn't put me on the spot. I just like to help, but I know my knowledge is limited and I didn't have the knowledge to answer the question completely. My one and only language is English, but you can ask my school teachers, it was not my best subject. My friends make fun of me because I use a lot of 'Bradisms'. You would hope the Apostles Creed would be based on the Bible. Although the title "Apostles Creed" is somewhat misleading. It was not something created by the apostles, but more so by the church leaders that followed after the apostles. One has to be careful when getting into this subject because you can easily step on toes when dealing with church history. The Roman Catholic view on this matter is most likely different than that of a Protestant. In the end, what matters is this view Biblically sound. Right now, (which I haven't went to the link that was posted to read more on the topic) I'm undecided. I'm still trying to decide if it is truly an issue if Jesus went to hell or not? Either way Jesus defeated the grave and hell. I know that is the most important part of this discussion. Brad |
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5 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | Morant61 | 201583 | ||
Greetings BMyers! There are some doctrinal issues involved around the question of whether or not Jesus went to Hell. One of the more recent issues involves the Word of Faith movement. It's teachers argue that our atonement was not completed upon the Cross. They contend that there are three kinds of death and that Jesus had to die all three in order to redeem us from sin. Thus, they claim that Jesus had to suffer physically in Hell to redeem us. Scripture makes it quite clear that the cross is the only saving act of God. It was 'finished' on the cross, not over the next three days in Hell. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Jesus descend into hell | 1 Peter | humbledbyhisgrace | 201586 | ||
Amen Brother Tim! | ||||||