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1 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | Morant61 | 180385 | ||
Greetings Edwin! I pray that you do not find the responses to your post adversarial. I am sure they were not intended in that manner at all my friend. It is just that the doctrine of 'soul sleep' does not appear to have Scriptural foundation, so when you appeared to be advocating it, the position was challenged. As to your question, the answer could be one of three things. First of all, Samuel could have simply been saying that Saul and his sons would be with him in death, without reference to any specific place but simply speaking of the state of death. Secondly, Samuel could have been referring to the grave. Finally, he could have been referring to Abraham's bosom or paradise. You brought this topic up the other day so I know that you are familiar with this place. Scripturally speaking, it appears to have been a place where the Saints went prior to the death and resurrection of Christ. However, paradise is not heaven. Saul, Samuel, the other Old Testament saints, and the thief on the cross did not go to heaven until after the death and resurrection of Christ. Now, Scripture tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8). Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | ebrain | 180506 | ||
would like to say somthing more on the subject of "Soul Sleep", and the necessity for a "Body". At the start God said at Gen 1:26 "Let Us make man in Our image, acording to Our likness". Man was made a Triunity, See 1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now I am well aware that some will say that the soul and the spirit are one and the same, I have no problem with this as it in no way affects what I intend to say. Man as an entity has a psychical part, his body, and a non psychical part which I will refer to as his soul. Now why one might ask has God chosen to give man a body? answer, in order that the soul of a man might be able to, see, hear, touch, taste, talk, and so on,,, be able to make contact with others, and especially to be able to interact with his Maker. At this point. I would like you to read the following extracts before I say anything further. Question: In Revelation 9 concerning the 5th trumpet judgment, what is your view on men committing suicide and not being able to die? Someone asked if a person threw himself into a furnace and became a pile of ash, how would he be tormented? Also is there a clear Scripture that states the devil enters the Antichrist? Answer: Revelation 9:6 states that all attempts of suicide will simply fail. It does not give us the specifics but the fact that God is in control of human affairs shows that he can accomplish these things accordingly. For example, if a man tries to shoot himself in the head, God can easily cause the gun to fail to fire. So no matter what man tries to do to die in order to avoid suffering, he will simply fail. All attempts of suicide simply will not succeed. The correlation to Satan and the Antichrist is found in passages such as II Thessalonians 2:9; Daniel 8:23- 25; 11:36-39. What these passages show is that the Antichrist would be Satan controlled and a Satan energized being trying to set up a world conquest. These passages clearly show that Satan is controlling this person. There is no passage that says Satan actually enters him, but these other passages will indicate the possibility. Even if he does not enter him, it still shows that he is under total satanic control. Furthermore, the Bible does state that Satan entered Judas and also calls him the “son of perdition”. The same title is given to the Antichrist which can also imply that he will be Satan indwelled. To be continued. |
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3 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | ebrain | 180507 | ||
Continuation Part 2, Question: I don’t understand the White Throne Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Final Judgment. In what order will they occur and briefly explain each one? Answer: Here is the chronological order. The Judgment Seat of Christ: This is the judgment of Church saints that will happen after the Rapture to Heaven and before the actual wedding ceremony in Heaven. The purpose of this judgment is not to put our sins on display since our sins are covered forever by the blood of Messiah, but rather an evaluation judgment as to how we lived once we were saved. If we were serving the Lord, we would be building with gold, silver and precious stone, but those times when we were not serving the Lord we would be building with wood, hay, and stubble. At this judgment the wood, hay, and stubble would simply be burned away and the gold, silver and precious stone will be purified. What is left will determine our reward and our position in the Messianic Kingdom. Thus by the time of the wedding ceremony, all that is showing on the bride will be the “righteous acts of the saints”. The Scriptures for this include, Romans 14:10-12; II Corinthians 5:10; I Corinthians 3:10-15; Revelation 19:6-8. The Final Judgment:This is a special judgment of all Gentiles who survive the Tribulation and will be held at the Valley of Jehoshaphat, the valley that separates Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives. The basis of the judgment is anti-Semitism or pro- Semitism (how these people treated the Jews during this period). The believers of the Tribulation evidenced by their pro-Semitism will be the ones to enter the Messianic Kingdom and populate the Gentile nations of the kingdom. The goat Gentiles are the unbelievers of the Tribulation who showed their lack of faith by their anti-Semitic works and therefore they will be killed and not enter the Messianic Kingdom. It is over the sheep Gentiles that the Church saints will co-rule. The Scriptures include Joel 3:1-3; Matthew 25:31-46. The Great White Throne Judgment: This is what is meant when people talk about “The Final Judgment” but it is a judgment of all unbelievers of all time, not to determine whether they were saved or not, but to determine the degree of their punishment in the Lake of Fire. Their names have been blotted out of the Book of Life, showing that they never believed and therefore were worthy to stand the judgment. The “other books” and their biographies that will in turn determine their degree of punishment. The Scriptures here include Revelation 20:11-15. For more details see our book entitled The Footsteps of the Messiah: The Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events. As you can see from Rev 9:6 above, man must retain his body, in order to experience the pain of punishment for those who are not saved, and conversely the indescrible joys of Heaven in the presance of Our Lord Jesus, for those who are saved. |
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4 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | ebrain | 180508 | ||
Continuation Part 3. Jhn 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." In order for God who is Spirit, to pay the penalty for your sin, and mine, He must have a body. Hbr 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. As the events described at 1 Thes 4:13-18, have not as yet taken place, then thoes believers who have gong to be with Jesus, cannot possibly have bodies, and therfore will not be able to see, hear, touch, taste, talk, and so on,,, be able to make contact with others, and especially to be able to interact with his Maker. They will as Scripture says "be asleep in Christ". As the Judgement seat of Christ is also still future, then if those "who sleep in Jesus" are not really asleep at all, then some of them will have waited almost 2000 years to be Judged. ebrain. |
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5 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | jlhetrick | 180510 | ||
Hello ebrain, I didn't see the need to respond in depth to parts I, II, and III; but allow me to make a short response here. I don't desire to get into a long, drawn out debate on such a controversial issue. Furthermore, I am confident that you are aware of the biblical evidence that weakens, if not totally defeats, your teaching here. So, my short response here is meant for the benefit of other readers who may not know better. You wrote: "As the events described at 1 Thes 4:13-18, have not as yet taken place, then those believers who have gone to be with Jesus, cannot possibly have bodies, and therfore will not be able to see, hear, touch, taste, talk, and so on,,, be able to make contact with others, and especially to be able to interact with his Maker." I believe your first "assumption" here is an obvious one. Assuming that those who are "asleep in Christ" (in other words christians who have died) have not yet their glorified bodies (I'm not arguing that point); you move on to draw the conclusion that they can neither "see, hear, touch, taste, talk, and so on...be able to make contact with others, and ESPECIALLY TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH HIS MAKER." (emphasis, CAPS., added). Your preface briefly illustrates the need for our Lord to have come in the flesh. But I don't understand how you translate that into the dead in Christ not being able to see, hear, touch, etc. Surely you are not saying that Christ, before His incarnation, was unable to see, talk, or interact with God the Father; are you? In short, I believe that it is fair to say that your teaching, that the dead in Christ (or those who sleep in Christ) are comatose, is a matter of your own opinion and not something you have adequately supported with Scripture (in either part). That is fair right? You wrote: "As the Judgement seat of Christ is also still future, then if those "who sleep in Jesus" are not really asleep at all, then some of them will have waited almost 2000 years to be Judged." So! You are asserting what? That this would be unfair. Furthermore, your own argument of "soul sleep" doesn't change this. If soul sleep is as you say it is, the event known as the judgement seat of Christ is still in the future. So those you speak of have still waited almost 2000 years, and may wait another 2000. Of course your theory does give them some relief as they have slept and have no kowledge of the 2000 years passing. Pretty convenient for those who have died in their sins. I hope you can see how your teaching such a thing (as old as the teaching may be) may be seen as irresponsbile in the light of your not being able to support it with Scritpture. It's another one of those things, ebrain, that has enough mystery to it that leaves us unable to declare it either way definatively, with the support of Scripture. What do we do with that? God bless, Jeff |
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6 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | ebrain | 180554 | ||
You have said. "I am confident that you are aware of the biblical evidence that weakens, if not totally defeats, your teaching here." For you to claim that I have posted material to this Forum, which I know to be false, is both insulting, and offensive. For this reason, I see no point in further replying to your post. |
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7 | What happens immediatly after you die? | 2 Corinthians | CDBJ | 180555 | ||
Hello ebrain, I don't believe you have deliberately posted false notions as you see them; it's just that it would appear that your knowledge of the subject is limited due to lack of biblical evidence. The following is from: (Elwell Evangelical Dictionary) Psychopannychy, or soul sleep, is the doctrine that the soul sleeps between death and resurrection. It has been held sporadically in the church. It is not a heresy in the narrower sense, due to the paucity of Scripture teaching on the intermediate state, but it may be called a doctrinal aberration. Some Anabaptists endorsed it. In the Forty-two Articles of Edward VI, which preceded the Thirty-nine Articles, the following statement, as the Fortieth Article, was included: "They which say that the souls of those who depart hence do sleep being without all sense, feeling or perceiving till the Day of Judgment, do utterly dissent from the right belief disclosed to us in Holy Scripture." The case for soul sleep rests principally on these considerations: (1) Human existence demands the unity of soul and body. If the body ceases to function, so must the soul. (2) The use of the term "sleep" in Scripture for death is alleged to point to the cessation of consciousness. (3) A state of consciousness between death and resurrection, characterized by bliss or woe, unwarrantably anticipates the judgment of the last day, when the basis for these experiences provided. On the contrary view, while the normal state of man is admittedly a union of soul and body, the possibility of disembodied conscious existence is firmly held, both on the analogy of God's existence as pure spirit (man being made in his image) and on the basis of such passages as Heb. 12:23 and Rev. 6:9-11. As to the word "sleep," it is intended to apply to the body, even though the individual as such may be said to sleep in death. This is clear from Matt. 27:52; John 11:11; Acts 13:36, etc. On the third point it may be replied that the exclusion of the possibility of bliss or woe from the intermediate state, on the ground that the divine judgment which justifies such reactions will not yet have been pronounced, would logically rule out the joyful assurance of salvation in this life as well as the foreboding of judgment to come. But see John 5:24; Phil. 1:28. Continuing consciousness after death seems to be a necessary (rather than an accidental) element in Jesus' account of the rich man and Lazarus, and also in our Lord's promise to the dying thief. The clearest and strongest passages, however, are in Paul's writings (Phil. 1:23; II Cor. 5:8). If it be contended in the case of the former passage that the sleep of the soul so effectually erases the interval between death and resurrection that the prospect of being with Christ, even though actually long delayed, could produce joyful anticipation, in any event the same thing can hardly be said for the second passage, where not only the resurrection body but the intermediate state is directly contemplated, being a less desirable alternative than the change to the resurrection body without death (vs. 4). E F Harrison (Elwell Evangelical Dictionary) Good day, CDBJ |
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