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1 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | CDBJ | 223617 | ||
When Christ was on the cross He in fact said “my God, my God why have you forsaken me”. We must remember that the New Testament was written in the Koine Greek and the word for death or, THANATOS, actually means separation. There are seven different types of death mentioned in Scripture and the one for sin is separation from God. Romans 6:23 (A) For the wages of sin is death; John chapter 19 tells us something that is often not notice by casual observation. John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. The word for finished in the Koine Greek come to us from the word, TETLESTAI. The etymology of this word is said to have originated in the slave market; signifying that the price agreed for a particular slave had been paid in full and the gavel was struck completing the transaction. The one holding the sale would holler out “TETLESTAI” there by sealing the transaction and showing the completion of that sale was over and finished. The price for sin, demanded by God, and paid for by God’s appointed one, Jesus the Christ had been totally paid for in full and nothing more is ever required! Now God can offer salvation to mankind as a free gift to man, paid for by the God Man Himself, Jesus. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: The fact is that Jesus made this exclamation while He was “still alive in the flesh”, signifying that the total price for sin was paid, i.e. separation from God. It was “just after this” that He bowed His head and His soul separated from His body and He died physically: so one could say theoretically that He actually died twice while on the cross, spiritually and physically. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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2 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | G. Preston | 223625 | ||
CDBJ, Excellent analysis. Just to augment; ...'It is finished"...carries a mush greater meaning than His physical life is ...'finished'. I doubt that was the motovation for the statement. But, rather, His assignment, penalty-pre-determined, was...'finished'..completed....accomplished...achieved, mastered and sealed. I do have trouble with your concluding theory however. To suggest He experienced ...'spiritual'... death conflicts with the meaning of the second death because of sinfulness. He never sinned. I submit,separation of the spirit from the body does not signify a death process of the spirit. The spirit is eternal... be it saved or condemed, which the Bible refers to as the..'second death'. |
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3 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | ariel levin | 223639 | ||
Shalom G Preston You said, "I do have trouble with your concluding theory however. To suggest He experienced ...'spiritual'... death conflicts with the meaning of the second death because of sinfulness. He never sinned" I thought that that was what the sacrifice was all about. The Savior never sinned but He took our sins upon Himself and paid the FULL price, which includes the second death, the death of separation from the Father. The fact that He did not remain spiritually separated from the Father is also what procures our FULL, complete, eternal redemption. It is this second death, this eternal separation from God that we are saved from. This is our hope and confidence, not a trouble free life, not escape from physical death, but an eternity in the presence of our God. (Scripture to this effect have already been posted within this thread.) |
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4 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | G. Preston | 223646 | ||
Some would say there is an attempt at spin here. A no no. He sacrificed His physical life for your and my sin...not his. |
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5 | Crusifixtion a sacrafice? John 3:16 | Bible general Archive 4 | ariel levin | 223647 | ||
G Preston Me spinning? I don't think so. The only thing I spin is a dreidle in hopes that it lands on gimmel!! :o) Return to the beginnings in Leviticus and study about the sacrifices (as they were a foreshadow of that which was to come) and you'll see that the sins of the worshipper were symbolically transferred to the animal by the laying on of hands. (Now we understand that at this point the whole thing had to be symbolism as man had no way to literally transfer his sins to anyone or anything.) But now God is here in the flesh, the Sacrifice can now be done as it was symbolized and be done once for all. For the sacrifice the Lord made for us to be viable He had to take on the sins of the world (and I don't think He had them all neatly bundled up in a grocery bag on the ground). No symbolism here, He took our sins into death with Him, broke the power of sin and rose triumphant. |
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