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1 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223567 | ||
Brother Brad Having a sin nature is not sin, or sinning. When we look in the bible, we don't find either “sin nature”, or “original sin” both of these terms have been devised to explain to ourselves as humans, a dynamic which cannot be explained in the physical realm, because it is a Spiritual happening (event), man has come to these terms by using selected verses for our own understanding. The sin nature, is nothing more than having a propensity toward sin, but having this tendency is not, in and of itself sinning. Although "WE HAVE" all sinned, coming short of the glory of God. This sin nature passes on to us "Spiritually", the original sin of Adam is not a physical thing, therefore it cannot be passed on to us through genetics. We acquire this sin nature (original sin) "Spiritually" simply by the fact "WE are all the descendants of Adam. In looking at Romans 7:13–25 we find these sinful tendencies as being part of the flesh, what Paul calls the (sarx in Greek), which means the flesh or body. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. This is the place we find ourselves to be in, but we only have one nature, but God be Praised, in Jesus physical body also dwelled "GOD". Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Therefore being GOD, Incarnate, He was able to keep Himself from sinning. You seemed to have missed the point, Jesus was totally, Man, and totally God. This means Jesus had two diametrically opposed natures, the nature of man, (sin nature) and the Nature of God, Divine nature. This would mean that no matter how depraved the nature of man might be, the Divine nature of God is greater, thereby able to overcome any temptation to sin. Now using ourselves as comparison, the life we now live, is the same life Jesus was able to live. 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. When we receive salvation, we are freed from sin through Christ. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. If we are able to live a sinless life, while still in the flesh, because we have become partakers of the Divine Nature of God, how much more was Christ preserved blameless by this same Divine Nature which indwelt Him? Therefore Jesus can have the sin nature of man, and still not sin. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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2 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 223574 | ||
Hello lightedsteps, Allow my brief but direct response. With all due respect, I missed nothing. You apparently did not read what I posted? Your theology has many gaps in it- from Bibliology to (now) the Person and Work of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is not up to me to get you to "see the light":-( I do have an understanding of the nature of our Lord Jesus Christ- one that is in line with Orthodoxy! Are you familiar with the Nicene Creed or to what the Hypostatic Union means? Have you studied these? You state, "You seemed to have missed the point, Jesus was totally, Man, and totally God. This means Jesus had two diametrically opposed natures, the nature of man, (sin nature) and the Nature of God, Divine nature. This would mean that no matter how depraved the nature of man might be, the Divine nature of God is greater, thereby able to overcome any temptation to sin." Wrong. The is called Nestorianism and it is a heresy! Nestorianism is the error that Jesus is two distinct persons. The council of Ephesus was convened in 431 to address the issue and pronounced that Jesus was one person in two distinct and inseparable natures: divine and human. AS CARM notes: "The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person" then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins." Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223577 | ||
Dear Brad My statement "Jesus was totally, Man, and totally God." "This means Jesus had two diametrically opposed natures, the nature of man, (sin nature) and the Nature of God, Divine nature." Your statement Nestorianism is the error that Jesus is two distinct persons. Jesus was one person in two distinct and inseparable natures: divine and human. Please forgive the oversight, it was the only way I could think of wording "MY" thoughts, I assumed when I said natures, you would understand. Does this work for you? What we see in looking at Jesus, are two distinct natures in one person, human and divine, both of these natures becoming inseparable. Jesus will be fully God, and fully human for all eternity. In Jesus, His human and divine natures are not intermixed, or mingled, they are and have been united, but without losing either of these separate identities. Again in my words, Jesus had two distinct natures, but the sin nature of man was swallowed up in life, ie, the Divine nature of God. Just as it is with us, upon our becoming regenerated. The divine nature is always, and in all cases dominant over the sin nature of man, as it is now in our mortal bodies. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm not a theologian, and I may not put things into the correct order. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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4 | Did John really baptise Jesus?? | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 223578 | ||
What has happened? "This thread has been temporarily restricted from appearing on the homepage. If you submit a question, answer, or note to this thread, it will be processed and added to the thread, but will not appear on the homepage." It was not my intention for the discussion to become controversial, but seeing it apparently has, with all respect for our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, this will be my last post on the matter. Grace be unto you all lightedsteps |
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