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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185840 | ||
Hi Apollos, That's a good point about Judas. It would seem from Scripture that he, as the others, performed miracles, while clearly he was not saved. But this whole idea that regeneration precedes faith and repentance, in my view, flatly disagrees with what is plainly stated in Scripture. Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Repentance precedes forgiveness. Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. Belief precedes righteousness, and confession precedes salvation. Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household. Here belief precedes salvation. Regeneration, the giving of spiritual life to us, is the deliverance from our body of death. Now the body can die, but we don't die, we have spiritual life. Regeneration is our deliverance from the curse of the Law. The soul that sins shall die, but we are alive. Our new creation isn't identified with the old man, this is our justification. We are reborn in Christ, this is our righteousness. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185841 | ||
Mark This is an old controversy and I don't really want to spend much more time debating it. In my view regeneration is a work of the Holy Spirit which is logically prior to faith, repentance and assurance of salvation, though as Doc has reminded us it may often be virtually indistinguishable chronologically. I just don't see how a person who is by nature at enmity with God can turn to God unless his nature has been changed. The conscious receiving of the Spirit (Acts 2:28)certainly follows repentance and faith, but there must be a work of God in the soul before repentance and faith can take place. I fear that we might debate this forever and I'm sure it must have come up on previous occasions so having clearly stated my position I am happy to bow out of the debate at this point. I am still uncertain about the exact timing of Cornelius' regeneration - which is what started our discussion off! May the Lord continue to bless us and guide us into all the truth. Apllos |
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3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185842 | ||
Hi Apollos, It is indeed old! :-) We shall let the matter rest, simply allow me to add that I appreciate the spirit in which you write. I would hazard to say that your view would only allow that Cornelius was regenerated long before Peter came, long before the angel visited, as his reputation of good works had spread throughout the nation. Logically, this would mean then that the angel's visit, followed by Peter's preaching, was a result of Cornelius' regeneration, and the good works it had wrought in his life. Love in Christ, Mark |
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