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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185754 | ||
Hi Apollos, I think I agree with your post here, I just wish to clarify one point. You're not saying, then, that Cornelius was seeking God prior to Peter's preaching because he had already somehow been regenerated, it that right? So then this would be an example of what I believe is refered to as "prevenient grace", the grace that allows a person to make the choice to seek God, but is not actual salvation itself? Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185758 | ||
Hi Mark To be honest, I don't really know when Cornelius was regenerated. In my view faith in Christ is a result or fruit of regeneration and therefore Cornelius was born again before he trusted Christ and could not have done so if he had not been regenerate. I believe that godly OT Jews before Christ were regenerate and it is therefore possible that Cornelius (as a gentile convert to Judaism) was regenerate before he heard and believed the gospel. But, if this was so (and I am not dogmatically saying it was) his good works were the fruit of regeneration and his regeneration was a work of God's grace. He was certainly not saved by merit - no one ever was or will be! Yours in him Apollos |
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3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185763 | ||
Hi Apollos, This is more how I understood you to believe, that is why I was somewhat surprised when it seemed you were acknowledging that Cornelius was not yet saved when the angel came to him. Now, I most certainly agree that none of us are saved by our own merit. Were we to actually merit salvation, we wouldn't need salvation, not being spiritually dead. But being regenerated, well, Cornelius is a terrific example. Either he was already regenerated when the angel came to visit, or he wasn't yet. But if he was, then how do we separate his salvation from his regeneration? Since it's all about being spiritually alive or dead, then how is it he can be regenerate but not yet saved? This, to me, simply poses too great of a difficulty to accept that view. Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185765 | ||
Mark Thanks for your helpful comeback. I did say that I do not know when Cornelius was regenerated! I would be very interested to read the thoughts of others on this. I certainly think that God had begun a good work in him (Phil.1:6)and I find it hard to believe, therefore, that if he had died while Peter was on his way to his house that he would have gone to hell. But Acts 11:14 poses a difficulty for the view that he was regenerate before he heard the gospel. Yours in him Apollos |
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5 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | stjohn | 185767 | ||
Hello Apollos, Warm greetings brother! The thief on the cross never heard the gospel, at least scripture doesn't say. Maybe like the old testament saints that believed God? Maybe something like a credit plan? :-) God bless. John |
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