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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185312 | ||
Dear ebrain Of course all believers choose to repent and trust Christ but since the Bible says that the human heart is at enmity with God and that we cannot change our hearts it follows that our choice of Christ must be the result of his prior work in us. Our choice of him is the result of his choice of us. I am a comparative newcomer to the forum but I am sure that this subject must have been debated in the past. Best wishes Apollos |
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2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Morant61 | 185319 | ||
Greetings Apollos! Love your screen name! :-) It is certainly true that Christ must work in us before we can come to Him. John 6:44 - "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." However, Scripture also tells us the following. John 12:32 - "But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185337 | ||
Hi Tim I think I would want to argue that in context Jesus is talking about the arrival of the time when all nations - not just Israel - will come into the people of God. Greeks have just requested to see Jesus (John 12:20,21) and Jesus sees this as a significant moment. He is about to be lifted up on the cross and this will be followed (after the resurrection and Pentecost) by the worldwide preaching of the gospel. "All men" cannot mean every single person in the world. The verb "to draw" is a very strong word and is used in John 21 of the disciples dragging a net full of 153 fish onto the beach! If Jesus is here promising to draw every person in the world to himself he clearly failed to do so. I don't want to be drawn(!) into a debate on this issue as I am sure it has been fully aired on previous occasions. May the Lord bless your ministry. Apollos |
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