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1 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | boanerges | 185198 | ||
i am seekings answers to what is meant by the words: "predestination", "chosen" and "election". In particular, Eph 1:4-5. | ||||||
2 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | God's-elect | 185212 | ||
predestination simply means God choose his people before the world was made, and saves his election,that is his people, when he wants as it pleases him. No choice, or deed or action you take or ever will take can change this. You cannot choose God. God chooses his people and saves them. God did not make it possible for anyone to become saved. He saved his people despite there sins. Never fall for the trap that you can say a prayer or do something and THEN God will act. Mankind is dead, unable to come to God. Even the faith to believe comes from God. | ||||||
3 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185226 | ||
Hi God's-elect You have said, "You cannot choose God". If this is the case, then please explain, "choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve", as in the verse below? Jos 24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Are you suggesting that God speaking through Joshua is asking the people to do what God knows full well they cannot do? ebrain. |
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4 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | hobbs | 185243 | ||
You have said, "You cannot choose God". If this is the case, then please explain, "choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve", as in the verse below? Jos 24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Are you suggesting that God speaking through Joshua is asking the people to do what God knows full well they cannot do? ------------------------------------------------- "If it seems evil to you to serve the Lord...". Funny, but I have never noticed the signifcance of that particular phrase until now! I wonder how many unsaved people today consider it "evil" to trust Christ? Would'nt it be astounding to hear such a statement used in the presetation of the Gospel! Joshua does'nt even attempt to persuade them otherwise. He just tells them ... "Worship whatever you will if you believe that God is not an appropriate object of your love and reverence. Me and mine believe that God is Holy and we will worship Him." The choice Joshua is offering the people (in v. 15) is a choice between two sets of pagan dieties. I don't see this as a firm foudation for the establishment of so-called "free-will". Hobbs |
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5 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185310 | ||
Joshua said "But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." You have said, "You cannot choose God". Is Joshua telling lies then?. ebrain. |
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6 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185312 | ||
Dear ebrain Of course all believers choose to repent and trust Christ but since the Bible says that the human heart is at enmity with God and that we cannot change our hearts it follows that our choice of Christ must be the result of his prior work in us. Our choice of him is the result of his choice of us. I am a comparative newcomer to the forum but I am sure that this subject must have been debated in the past. Best wishes Apollos |
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7 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185313 | ||
Thank you Apollos for your input. Perhaps, what follows may be of assistance. Subject: Born Again. Is born again that which a person becomes upon receiving the Lord Jesus as his own personal saviour, or is it what God must do to a person to enable him/her to receive Jesus ?. PS I am not a Calvinist. Sincerely yours. Edwin Brain. Without question the biggest single problem that the church has is an abysmal lack of in depth Bible teaching. For example when a born again Christian is not even able to explain exactly just what is meant by "Born again" how can he possibly communicate the Gospel to the un-saved ?. Let me explain, The unconverted are spiritually dead, see. 1Cr 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. This of course all happened at "The fall", see. Gen 2:17 "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.".. This is an incorrect translation, as it should read, "for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die". That is to say, two deaths, spiritual death at the moment you eat thereof, followed by physical death in due course. Have a look at Jhn 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. Jhn 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." Now read. Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mat 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Mat 16:18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it Note, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven" You are petros and upon this petra I will build my church" ie each member of my church will have what you Peter have just had, that is direct divine intervention into their lives, enabling them to accept me for who I am. The one and only "I AM" He who died that they might live. How can any flesh be saved, read, Mat 19:25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Now lets have a look at. Jhn 3:5-6, Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Jhn 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. But first a suitable background against which to view the revenant words, Let us say two different worlds, or two different modes of existence, what about Physical life, and Spiritual life. Now then how did you get into this physical world. Well you were born into it weren't you?. Now exactly how much contribution did you make to your physical birth, non whatsoever you owe your existence entirely to the activity of another, namely your human father. Likewise your arrival into the spiritual world (If you are to get there) will be due entirely to the activity of another, namely, the Lord our God, who will then be your heavenly Father. The water refereed to in v 5 of John 3, is of course amniotic fluid which is required to be born of the flesh refereed to in the next verse. In fact using Hebrew parallelism, v 6 in given in order to clear up any doubt as to exactly what is meant by water in v 5. To sum up therefore it is clear from the text that it is impossible to be saved, unless one is first born again into the spiritual world, thus enabling one to understand the way of salvation, and thereby to receive Jesus as ones own personal Saviour.. Born again can also be translated as born from above, ie born of God. My Conversion follows. May the Lord bless you all. Edwin Brain. |
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8 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | Apollos | 185335 | ||
Thanks ebrain I certainly agree that faith in Christ is the result of the new birth and not the cause of it. How can someone who is dead in sins and at enmity with God and whose heart is stone possibly come in faith to the Lord Jesus Christ unless God first works a change in his heart? Although you say that you are not a Calvinist, I thought this view of things is what is commonly regarded as the Calvinist position. I wouldn't particularly want to use the label "Calvinist" myself in that I think he was wrong about some things (e.g. infant baptism)but on the doctrines of salvation I think his was the biblical position. As I mentioned earlier, I'm sure this matter has been debated on the forum in the past and I don't want to start another debate up again. In him Apollos |
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9 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185879 | ||
When I say that I am not a Calvinist, I mean that although I accept some of what they teach, I do not accept all of what they teach. and that was all that I intended to convey.. What's more, I have no intention of being drawn into any extended debate on the pros, and cons of Calvinism, as I do not believe it would be of any spiritual benefit. ebrain. |
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