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1 | Elders not a pastor should lead church | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 176396 | ||
Dear Bereaniam, You asked for one Scripture: How about some epistles? Look to the pastoral epistles of Paul. Aren't the recipients individuals? Who is to appoint elders? Who is to teach? Who is to correct? Who is to rebuke? Who is to correct? I'm not deep, Bereaniam. I've just done some of the studying I'm trying to get you to do! :-) In Him, Doc |
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2 | Elders not a pastor should lead church | Bible general Archive 3 | Bereaniam | 176402 | ||
Hello Doc Again, Well, let's see if we can go back around this mountain one more time. This is not rocket science. And, you are deep, whether you think it or not. But, I do study my bible also. I asked for just one scripture that said one pastor should be over a congregation. You wrote, "How about some epistles?" I guess I was not specific enough. Give me a book, a chapter, and a verse that says one pastor should be over a congregation, please? You also said, "Look to the pastoral epistles of Paul". I did... that is where I found some of the scriptures that the government (polity) of the church should have egalitarian leadership. Titus 1:5, 1Tim 1:3. However, you know there are other scriptures that allude to the fact that elders were to feed, oversee, and pray for the sick of the church. You asked,"Who is to appoint elders?". New Testament authority says apostles appointed the elders. Today, we do our own thing through the flesh. Pastors submit resumes and have tryouts, my my my, how biblical. You also asked, "Who is to teach?". Tim, I am surprised at you for that question, because I know you read 1 Tim 3:2, Tit 1:9. When Peter said of the elders in 1Pet 5:1-4, "...feed the flock", do you think he meant teach them or take them to green pastures? I did not understand your question about who the recipients were. And of course the elders, who are given the oversight of the church would naturally be the ones to rebuke, and correct...which you know does not happen in most churches. Who knows anybody in the megachurches? Sunday after Sunday, they (many...not all) come, sing,look at the back of others heads, listen to a message, go home, live like the rest of the world until the next Sunday. Who really cares if they need correcting. Many ministers need rebuking...but who is going to do it? Anyway, keep your pastor on the pedestal, honor him, give him bonuses,raises, anniversary and birthday presents, send him off for R and R, let him take a Sabbatical if needed while the the less honorable member, 1Cor 12:23, is forgotten. We are suppose to be one body, but many members. Each member is not more important than the other...each has a job to do. But that is not the case in the 21st Century church, from my observation. Do you believe the words: pastor, bishop, shepherd, overseer, elder, presbytery, teacher, are synonyms and used interchangebly in the Bible? That may be why we are not on the same page. I hope to see you here, there, or in the air. May God bless you spiritually beyond what you can ask, think, or contain, Bereaniam |
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3 | Elders not a pastor should lead church | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 176404 | ||
Do you know what is meant by "pastoral epistles?" | ||||||
4 | Elders not a pastor should lead church | Bible general Archive 3 | Bereaniam | 176408 | ||
Yes, 1st and 2Tim and Titus...right? Bereaniam |
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5 | Elders not a pastor should lead church | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 176410 | ||
Yes... both Timothy and Titus were pastors. | ||||||